US pushed Europe into an an economic war with Russia which led to incredible energy prices seen in Europe today. This is what’s taking German economy which is largely based in manufacturing right now.
Then you haven’t been paying attention. US instigated the sanctions and the whole economic war. Europe was initially reluctant, but went along in the end.
Although EU is so deep in US ass that it’s performing haruspice on US entrails to guess the wishes of its master even without direct orders, but not even such toadies would betray their countries like this without some strong pressure.
Way to move the goalposts, nobody was mentioning anything about “people’s wishes”.
Also, seems that perspective of huge crisis is starting to get through the thick fog of decades of frenzied imperialist propaganda even in the imperial core, so USA also had to blow up the pipes to make fait accompli in case of european governments caving to the wishes of their people to not fell flat on face in worst crisis in decades, instead of licking the colon of USA just so that US oligarchy might fatten itself even more.
Please explain to me the logic of EU sabotaging its own economy in response to the war in Ukraine. The sanctions have had pretty much no effect on Russia. In Particular, Russia is making record profit from energy sales right now.
The only country that benefits from Eurozone collapsing economically is the US. Much of European industry is already moving to US, there’s a capital flight from Europe to US, and Europe is now dependent on expensive LNG coming from US. The only thing this fiasco achieved was to turn Europe into a vassal state of the US.
Tanking European economy and condemning millions of people to horrific conditions this winter does absolutely nothing to help Ukraine. Russia is making record profits from energy exports today.
The rise in energy prices more than made up for any lost sales to Europe. Also, Russia is still exporting lots of gas to Europe via China, India, and Saudi Arabia. The only difference is that these countries now charge Europe a markup.
Also, Russia has pipelines to China and building more pipelines as we speak.
You have absolutely no clue regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate.
The help for Ukraine comes in different forms. Seems you didn’t read the sources. Russia may be making some money right now because of the high energy prices, but that is not going to last.
It quite obviously will. China’s industry is growing along with BRI. All the industry that’s moving out of Europe will go to Asia and use Russian gas. Again, this isn’t rocket science and it’s amazing that people don’t get this. The articles you linked are written for gullible people who don’t understand how economy or energy markets work globally.
Also the energy sector is not the only things that is affected by the sanctions. A lot more industries and companies have left the country. What makes things harder to measure, is the lack of valid statistics from Russia itself.
Literally zero evidence for the claim that western industry leaving Russia has any negative impact. All it does is create room domestic industry and companies from friendly countries like China and India. If sanctions failed to produce any effect initially, it’s obvious they will only have less effect going forward.
Ah. The usual personal signature at the end. Please tell me how those stats and sources are invalid, and provide better ones instead of insults.
Hope you now have a better understanding of the errors in your sources.
Well, personally I’d rather throw the world economy under a bus than sit back and relax as some psychopath has millions of innocent people slaughtered.
This may not be rational by some definition, this may not be behaviour even I would expect from a nation. But I don’t need to fucking be told that the schoolyard bully peer-pressured us into doing this when I’m allowed to vote and would have preferred even stronger sanctions.
US pushed Europe into an an economic war with Russia which led to incredible energy prices seen in Europe today. This is what’s taking German economy which is largely based in manufacturing right now.
I am not aware of them pushing us towards anything.
Then you haven’t been paying attention. US instigated the sanctions and the whole economic war. Europe was initially reluctant, but went along in the end.
You mean after Russia attacked Ukraine? Again, I certainly do not feel like we needed instigation from the US for that.
Although EU is so deep in US ass that it’s performing haruspice on US entrails to guess the wishes of its master even without direct orders, but not even such toadies would betray their countries like this without some strong pressure.
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Way to move the goalposts, nobody was mentioning anything about “people’s wishes”.
Also, seems that perspective of huge crisis is starting to get through the thick fog of decades of frenzied imperialist propaganda even in the imperial core, so USA also had to blow up the pipes to make fait accompli in case of european governments caving to the wishes of their people to not fell flat on face in worst crisis in decades, instead of licking the colon of USA just so that US oligarchy might fatten itself even more.
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really hoping this is a very elaborate high-effort troll otherwise this level of brainworms could be terminal
As if you never even heard about manufacturing consent.
Lmao, post hog
@varjolintu @PolandIsAStateOfMind
“listening to the voice of the people”
Good joke !
Please explain to me the logic of EU sabotaging its own economy in response to the war in Ukraine. The sanctions have had pretty much no effect on Russia. In Particular, Russia is making record profit from energy sales right now.
The only country that benefits from Eurozone collapsing economically is the US. Much of European industry is already moving to US, there’s a capital flight from Europe to US, and Europe is now dependent on expensive LNG coming from US. The only thing this fiasco achieved was to turn Europe into a vassal state of the US.
So, you believe we’re not stupid enough to crash our economy on our own, but are stupid enough to let the US convince us?
I believe that without pressure from US, Europe would’ve made better choices.
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quite obviously false
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Tanking European economy and condemning millions of people to horrific conditions this winter does absolutely nothing to help Ukraine. Russia is making record profits from energy exports today.
The rise in energy prices more than made up for any lost sales to Europe. Also, Russia is still exporting lots of gas to Europe via China, India, and Saudi Arabia. The only difference is that these countries now charge Europe a markup.
Also, Russia has pipelines to China and building more pipelines as we speak.
You have absolutely no clue regarding the subject you’re attempting to debate.
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It quite obviously will. China’s industry is growing along with BRI. All the industry that’s moving out of Europe will go to Asia and use Russian gas. Again, this isn’t rocket science and it’s amazing that people don’t get this. The articles you linked are written for gullible people who don’t understand how economy or energy markets work globally.
Literally zero evidence for the claim that western industry leaving Russia has any negative impact. All it does is create room domestic industry and companies from friendly countries like China and India. If sanctions failed to produce any effect initially, it’s obvious they will only have less effect going forward.
Hope you now have a better understanding of the errors in your sources.
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Well, personally I’d rather throw the world economy under a bus than sit back and relax as some psychopath has millions of innocent people slaughtered.
This may not be rational by some definition, this may not be behaviour even I would expect from a nation. But I don’t need to fucking be told that the schoolyard bully peer-pressured us into doing this when I’m allowed to vote and would have preferred even stronger sanctions.