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Why are Liberals are taking expedited genocide of Palestinas as consultation price?
Love the font. Reminds me of Rexlia, but it’s slightly different.
ignores core voter issues
spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse
Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off
“Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise.”
Libs would rather cry for months about how they completely botched an election than do anything to stop a genocide.
I’m sure some of these strawman exist in a field somewhere keeping the crows away.
Democrats need to get rid of First Past The Post voting in the blue states they control. Time to admit they need help and shouldn’t be going alone against the republicans
More democracy. More chances to defeat the republicans. More people engaged and involved in the political process.
More people voting = more votes for democrats. More chances of republicans electing a more moderate candidate.Electoral reform is an absolute win for the people of this country. Except for the legacy poltical parties. They will unfortunately have to compete for your vote. If they are unable to stay relevant, that’s on them for becoming weak and frail using FPTP as a crutch.
Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???
No, it’s the voters who are wrong. FPTP requires us to vote for people in favor of FPTP.
I WAS going to do SO MUCH organizing this time… if Harris had bought us time. But alas, all strikes will go to Trump’s desk now so why even bother. /s
FPTP requires us to vote for people in favor of FPTP.
Even the referendum efforts slammed into a brick wall this year
RCV failed in Missouri, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Idaho, and (likely) in Alaska. People don’t like it as a system.
All the more reason to angle for approval voting instead. It’s much easier to explain to folks - you just pick everyone you’re OK with winning, and whoever gets the most votes wins. No spoiler effect since there’s nothing to spoil, dead simple to explain to folks, no moving votes around or instant runoffs or any of that, fully inclusive of third parties and already supported by the voting machines you already have.
You only want Trump, just pick Trump. You want anyone outside the main parties, check every box except Harris and Trump. You want anyone but Trump, check every box but Trump. You just don’t want candidate in Russia’s pocket, check every box except Trump and Stein. Etc, etc.
Good point. Now I’m a different kind of worried. 💀
It’s nice to see people discussing the voting system. Nows the time to talk about opening up the electoral system to 3rd parties right for sure.
If you get the chance, swing by my ask lemmy post to discuss how you and the people of your state can pressure your leaders into implementing electoral reform.
It’s really sad. It’s really sad that reality has no effect on the people.
I mean in all fairness we did tell them that exactly this would happen. It’s their open damn fault they, and the rest of us, now have to try and survive in the still-rotting corpse of democracy.
Edit, add: Their self centered, short-sighted voting choice has screwed over everybody else along with them. I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves, whether through stupidity, logical fallacy, ignorance, emotional thinking, or (in the case of actual T supporters) actually believing blatantly stupid bullshit.
I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves
It is not like you cared about the genocide when Biden was president. At least now the decorum is gone.
Hell, the only thing Harris voters have left is the bitter pleasure of watching the Trump voters and non-voters suffer with us. I will not extend an ounce of anything but schadenfreude their way for any bit of pain they feel as a consequence of their own actions.
Eh, never said I couldn’t wait, just that any sympathy I have is gone. Actions have consequences and I’m not gonna feel bad for people who face them and voted for them. Or earned them by not voting.
classic neoliberal compassion
At some point, “They want to see us literally dead and we just want them to have healthcare” has to become, “Well, at least they’ll die, too.”
Twenty million people includes a majority of democrats. You did this to yourselves, and you did it to everyone else too. You’re scum, you’ve probably destroyed democracy, and when the republicans start their pogroms, I’m not going to shed tears for liberals. You got us into this mess, so you can do the dying.
Wow, you big mad. I certainly didn’t, and blaming liberals for electing Trump is maybe the stupidest way to shed your guilt you could’ve chosen lol
If there were 20 million leftists, you wouldn’t be able to laugh at us every election. This is your fault, whether you want to admit it or not. Democrats stayed home in record numbers, and failed the nation.
The thing is, leftists are armed. Liberals are not. It’s not us who has to worry about nazis coming. We’re gonna look out for our queer and trans brothers and sisters, but you guys? You can have a front row seat to Gaetz weaponizing the DOJ and taking revenge on you for defying Trump. It’s gonna be a rough four years for you.
Why does ‘leftist’ rhetoric sound scarily similar to extremist conservative rhetoric?
Because both are anti-government, and liberals rely on government violence to maintain the status quo that keeps them comfortable. You don’t like threats to your privilege.
Hmm nope, pretty sure it’s a bit of mental illness mixed with extremist language.
Lay it off with blaming people who are mad at Democrats about Gaza for Trump. Honestly, it’s tired, inaccurate, and wrong. Trump won the popular vote. The Dems ran a shitty campaign, they had no message, and failed to inspire 10 million of their previous voters.
20% of the population is functionally illiterate in any language, an no one could out simplify Trump’s simplified language, ‘I good, she bad’.
Why? That category of people objectively exists and that category of people objectively chose this and that category of people objectively made an illogical decision against their own interests. Nowhere in the meme is it saying “all voters are in this category”, it’s simply indicating this category of voter exists which is objectively true.
You truly believe there’s nothing else at play? Being in the midst of a pandemic in 2020 had no part in voter turnout?
A lot of states expanded mail in voting. Probably removed a pretty large barrier of people who’d rather stay home than wait in line.
That is not a new pose for Republicans.
From 2011:
Newt Gingrich is standing by comments he made earlier this week when he called the Palestinians an “invented” people. “Remember, there was no Palestine as a state.”
You’re kidding, right? There’s no way the guy’s name is literally “newt grinch”!
It’s literally not “Newt Grinch”, it’s Newton Gingrich. This is your first time hearing of him?
You’re right, that’s not his name.
I would like to recall some comments saying “Kamala is worse than the same”
A very tiny majority of people think of Gaza in the voting booth.
A very tiny majority
ok.
A solid chunk of gen z sat out for this reason bc dumbass shit they saw on tiktok
dumbass shit they saw on tiktok
You mean genocide?
I mean shit that’s been happening through every administration that Russia decided to use as a wedge issue for liberals and morons ate it up as something Biden and Kamala were responsible for.
blaming everyone but Harris/Biden for Harris/Bidens choice and a badly out of touch campaign.
You centrists just cannot accept reality and refuse to introspect. Seems like you will try the exact same thing if dems ever return to power. Its miserable being in a coalition with you losers.
They could have literally never campaigned on anything and voting for them against trump would still be the only moral choice, so your attempts to blame them for the moral failings of the 10m who sat this one out…totally insane.
You seem like a “don’t blame me I voted for Nader” type of oblivious.
Funny you bring up Nader. You’re basically admitting the democrats understood the flaws of the voting system and did nothing to fix the issue.
The democrats preferred trump and losing power over having to compete for your vote against 3rd parties on a level playing field. Almost 30 years of inaction on First Past the Post voting? Unforgiveable.
Hey! I had fuckin nothing to do with this!
My apologies dumbass
we are simultaneously a small amd pathetic minority, but also able to swing a major election on a major country. just pick one already.
I mean, honestly, I don’t think people protesting Democrats because of the genocide were what caused Dems to lose. I honestly believe it was because the Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires. That being said, anyone who voted for trump thinking he’d be better is an absolute fool.
It may have been a factor in Michigan. Their are about 300 Arab and Muslim Americans in Michigan, an estimated 200K of which are registered to vote, and Uncommitted vote had about 100K votes in the primary, which is less than Trump’s margin of victory. There’s going to be a lot of nuance examining how the anti-Genocide voters might have affected the electoral map, and I’m not sure we’ll ever get a straight answer.
It doesn’t matter to people who share these memes, though. They don’t like looking at the numbers. In their head, they have an image of a young, entitled white kid with a Genocide Joe sign who just wouldn’t listen to reason. An analysis would probably show that person is more likely to be Arab or Muslim with close ties to the Palestinian community, and that knowledge would make them uncomfortable.
Dems refused to acknowledge that times are hard for non-billionaires.
Agreed. It’s why the number of people who just didn’t vote dwarfs the number of people who switched parties.
i don’t think leftists voted for trump though.
5 million is a small minority in a country of 300 million.
5 million votes means a lot when it’s a close election.
it wasnt close though.
Sounds like the Dems should have pandered better to them then. They had a billion dollars to find out what marginal vote block would give them the edge.
Even if Dems won Michigan, they still lost Georgia and Pennsylvania. 5 million votes is a lot, but where those votes come from matter in our system
Progressives are 8% of the voting population. So they are more like 27 million voters.
it’s almost like every vote matters.
*~only applies to swing states~
I’m never voting Democrat again. You had 13 months to stop the genocide but you didn’t, allowing it to be passed on to Trump.
Trump says the quiet part out loud. But we have Biden recorded privately saying he’d kill Arab women and children all the way back in 1982. His unconditional support of the genocide proves he hasn’t changed since.
We didn’t vote for Harris because we knew you weren’t going to pushback on the genocide with her as president just like you didn’t when Biden was president. Now you’re blaming us for Trump despite that all Arab and Muslim American voters still won’t give Harris the 10 million votes she needs to win the popular vote let alone the electoral college.
Edit 1:
I voted for Jill Stein. Voting for Trump sends the wrong message since he too is pro-genocide.
Edit 2:
If you opposed the genocide you really had no option but to vote for Jill Stein and/or Claudia De la Cruz. Voting Democratic sends the message that the genocide doesn’t affect how you vote and you don’t care if it continues. Voting Republican sends a similar message since they are openly pro-genocide and actually take the Bible’s apocalyptic ending literally. Staying at home doesn’t work either, because if you can’t be bothered to voice your opposition to genocide then future candidates won’t bother to listen.
From the first month it was clear to me that the genocide will continue no matter who wins. It was clear neither party nor core base of voters care about it. If neither party nor base sees us as humans worthy of empathy, you can’t act entitled to our human-animal votes. We already knew Republicans saw us as animals with no regard to our lives. But to find out that all along the Democrats saw us at best indoor pets and are more than happy to send us to a farm upstate.
Edit 3:
And no, I am not afraid nor care what comes next. I can’t imagine anything worse than genocide and I am not in any way better than a Gazan. If they can lose their livelihoods and lives abruptly and unfairly, I don’t see why I should be spared. I’d rather take the chance no matter how small and vote for ending the genocide rather than to just save myself/group.
God, you liberals are disgusting scum. MLK was right about you, you are the greatest threat to justice.
Libs would rather make fun of their genocide that they’re funding than resist it.
That’s literally why nobody votes for y’all creeps.
Why should we accept genocide as normal? I don’t get it? Is it because it is happening to Arabs?
At least now we know many Democratic voters are just as racist as Republican voters just tacit about it
Kinda low bar to clear. The fact she didn’t screwed her.
Don’t have to be perfect, just good enough, and she couldn’t even do that.
Imagine unironically making this meme. I envy the history students in 2138 who get to study this crap and scratch their heads
The History students of the Future will watch all those who sat by as complicit in the rise of an authoritarian racist President in the USA
How cute to think this is the first authoritarian racist president. You should check out the rest of USA history sometime.
The history is already set. The dems ran a mediocre campaign after the sitting president flubbed a debate and lied about his physical ailments. It was a campaign so out of touch with voters that they lost the entire government.
Those 20 million people who sat by were democrats. But sitting by while facism rises is kinda your thing, isn’t it? Too bad you can’t hand-wring your way into a better union, huh?
No, but I can get a better confederacy. Given that I come from the confederatio helvetica and not the united states, you know.
Also I’d like to know how you got to the conclusion that I, vocal and voting against fascism, am complicit in its rise?
I’m pretty sure the anti-genocide people were the ones violently confronting Nazis four years ago while the Democratic mainstream said that wasnt the right way to do things.
Probably lots of overlap with the people who blockaded and flooded airports and courts to stop the Muslim ban.
Probably closely related to the people who put their bodies on the line and blockaded ICE detention facilities.
I’d bet they were involved in organizing the BLM protests too.
Nah, man.
The real Antifa are the ones brunching and quietly judging while they sip their mimosas.
quietly?
Fair point.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
MLKJ, “Letter from Birmingham Jail”
You remind me of the MAGoos who only quote Martin’s line about judging people on the character and not the color of their skin. Using that letter ignores the fact that the letter was written before the Liberals passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Harris lost and Trump is getting ready to nuke Gaza. Maybe it’s time for you to reassess your plans.
You mean the voting rights act that was gutted by the supreme court while liberals just watched?
Did they expand the supreme court? pass ethics legislation? add term limits? use the same dirty tactics the Republicans use? censure Synema and Manchin for being republicans?
They sure didn’t. But the Republicans sure made sure Liz Cheney knew she wasn’t welcome in the party anymore.
Seeing how this is the 2nd time in a decade that moderate liberals have lost an election due to their lack of widespread support, maybe it’s time to reconsider their appeal to the increasingly hypothetical “average” American and listen to the base.
I’m arguing that we should be working in and with working class communities to tangibly improve their material conditions and you’re comparing me to a MAGA?
That’s some weird dissonance.
Depend what they will write in history books…
Look at this genocide enthusiast. Nah, if the Democrats are going to support Israel unconditionally they deserve to lose. If saving the US means that the US will continue supporting Israel then better if the US is unsaved. I voted for Jill Stein and don’t regret it, but I still regret voting for genocide Joe in 2020.
Imagine not understanding first past the post elections and harm reduction.
The people of Palestine asked us to vote against Trump. But they’re not worth listening to. They’re not even real.
There is no harm reduction. Kamala didn’t support a cease fire, and she refused to stop the flow of weapons or support. The choices were killing kids fast, or killing them slowly. You don’t get to act self righteous, like there’s a more moral choice there.
Democrats are baby killers.
Uh huh…
You realize there are other issues out there right?
Yeah. Democrats suck at addressing those too. Do you really wanna talk about all the ways democrats are shot human being? Cause all of Lemmy is here for that.
Of course they’re shit. Obviously. But FPTP dictates we vote anyway.
DID she really understand FPTP if she wouldn’t acknowledge it as a problem?
Yes. It’s not a problem for her.
But your question makes me think you don’t… FPTP benefits the two major parties. It’s completely illogical to think they would not like it.
Or did you mean that she should’ve lied about her real opinion on order to get more votes?
Evidently it was a problem for her.
