IPCC report says only swift and drastic action can avert irrevocable damage to world
It’s already too late.
Yup, people wouldn’t like the changes we would already have to make in order to save the planet
Like if people can’t be bothered to boycott companies like Nestle how do you expect them to give up way more than some Nestle products for something they wont feel the worst effects off. If they lack empathy for living people how would they have it for future generations…
(Actually maybe because some of those people don’t see living children as equal to potential future children because the color of their skin and their economic conditions we might actually have a chance)
I dunno, I think it’s doable. The messaging, that is. Problem is who owns the messaging service, and do they want to comply. I’m old enough to just remember the ozone layer. Everyone cared! Worldwide. No one fought the message. We all chipped in. And it worked. The problem isn’t that people don’t or won’t care, it’s serving them an effective message and that won’t happen when the people who own the media, own the mines.
too late in what sense? what is the inevitable event that will happen? humans are great at adapting, i’m sure we’d find a way
I agree. I used to be like the person above you. Now, I’m more like you are. I’ve spent less time being pessimistic and more time learning about ancient civilizations, and I gotta say… I feel confident that we’ll press through the pressures and be better off for it.
People will still suffer and die, tho. I wish that part wasn’t true… but as a species? We’ll be just fine
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The final section of AR6 was the “summary for policymakers”, written by IPCC scientists but scrutinised by representatives of governments around the world, who can – and did – push for changes. The Guardian was told that in the final hours of deliberations at the Swiss resort of Interlaken over the weekend, the large Saudi Arabian delegation, of at least 10 representatives, pushed at several points for the weakening of messages on fossil fuels, and the insertion of references to carbon capture and storage, touted by some as a remedy for fossil fuel use but not yet proven to work at scale.
Oh boy, I sure do love when countries bully scientists to tone down the urgency of their message to make a few more bucks.
Well we’re fucked
At this point I feel like I’ve had as many final warnings on climate changes as I have had for my car’s extended warranty.
Climate change IS real, not saying that it isn’t but you would think Scientists would pick a different tactic given that “But 20 years ago you said the world would end in 5 years!”
Is a common skeptic gotcha.
Our real final warning was 20 years ago. Everything after is just a desperate attempt to get people to actually realize how fucked we already are and how much worse it’ll be if we don’t do something about it.
Then there’s people like you who apparently don’t pay attention to weather patterns because globally they’re fucked right now. And all scientific data shows they’re just gonna keep getting worse.
Remember how bad hurricane Katrina was? How it was talked about for years? We’re gonna be getting storms much stronger than that on a more regular basis. Some parts of the world already are.
The category 5 that hit Mexico recently was insane.
It also makes me wonder how many more sudden/suprise category 5 hurricaines we’ll see.
You also have the mass flooding in the Slavic regions that have already displaced millions of people.
Weather phenomena around the world is growing stronger and stronger every single day.
The Day After Tomorrow is looking a lot more realistic nowadays though it won’t happen that fast.
No, I’m paying attention and I’m well aware of how bad the situation is, but saying this is the last chance every 10 years is the kind of talk that creates skepticism at a time when we can’t afford skepticism
The problem is when people claim the end of the world they get put into the “crazy” box. A lot of people throughout human history have claimed “the end of times” due to delusion or misinformation.
What we have now though is actual scientific evidence that shows what’s going to happen and that it’s happening.
The best time to start fixing this was 40 years ago. The second best time is now.
They need to figure out how to do this without sending off the “woo alarm”
we really have to spoon-feed this shit to a billion children throwing a tantrum of idiocy
Which is a very difficult thing to achieve especially in the age of disinformation.
And again when you tried using the apocalypse is here as a scare tactic for several decades, when facts alone would have sufficed
facts alone would have sufficed
But they didn’t. We were presented with the facts in the 80’s. We saw the effects in the early 2000’s. Remember the hole in the ozone layer? The one caused by mass pollution? Govts around the world chose to believe science and ban the production of a lot of chemicals and the ozone layer healed.
Then everyone collectively forgot pollution was dangerous and started pumping it out as much as they could legally* get away with.
*It’s not hard to get away with doing it illegally
They’re all the same one, we just keep fucking up the future even further and constantly choosing to blow by terrible milestones
and nothing happened time and time again. reminds me of that 2012 doomsday thing
Except that it is happening already - incremental change is hard to notice. But the summers keep getting hotter, and the natural disasters worse and more frequent.
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Not to be contrarian, I know this is an ever growing problem, but is it really doing any good to continue phrasing the issue like this?
It’s starting to sound like those cults who predict the end of the world every 10 years.
Let the data speak for itself. Show the models and the projected results. I truly believe that we are in a dire position, but the current method of communication is not working.
Also, I don’t believe the feedback mechanisms are ever emphasised enough. Climate change isn’t linear and global temperatures will increase exponentially, even if our rate of emissions increases linearly over time. Warmer air holds more water vapor and melting permafrost releases additional greenhouse gases, both exacerbating the greenhouse effect.
It’s starting to sound like those cults who predict the end of the world every 10 years.
People have been trying to get people to care for 60 - 100 years with data and projections and it has done nothing.
Let the data speak for itself. Show the models and the projected results. I truly believe that we are in a dire position, but the current method of communication is not working.
As above, this was the first thing that was tried and it doesn’t work, why would it work now?
Also, I don’t believe the feedback mechanisms are ever emphasised enough. Climate change isn’t linear and global temperatures will increase exponentially, even if our rate of emissions increases linearly over time. Warmer air holds more water vapor and melting permafrost releases additional greenhouse gases, both exacerbating the greenhouse effect.
True, but if we can’t get people to care at all, they won’t care about the nuance
Most people are too dumb to understand projections.
that works for you, not for most people.
That was my exact thought. They said it was too late 20 years ago. Stick to your guns and just tell people how fucked they are now.
Keep in mind that the original papers probably use reasonable words like “increased effects”, “vulnerability”, and maybe even “irreversible”.
The spokespeople take that and come up with phrases like “urgency”, “crisis”, and “last chance”.
Then the media takes that and comes up with “We all gon’ die”.
Politicians: “Okay, but what if money instead?”
If we zoomed into politicians brains it would just be circus music and cash register sounds.
Can someone let me know when is it acceptable to turn into to Unabomber.
Because if it weren’t for his story I would just go move into to the middle of nowhere and stay there until we die.
But If I don’t even get to have nature it’s just fucking heartbreaking
Do it! I won’t tell anyone.
Good try, but I’ll just be productive and create companies that antagonize the fuckers who keep burning the world down.
At the very least I Wana make sure they can’t make it to their bunkers benfore shit goes down XD
My retirement plan is to spend my last years shitting down the ventilation pipes of rich peoples bunkers on an uninhabitable earth.
if a bunch of people do it without cooperating you can be the multi una bombers
Ahahhaha the best comment ever, thanks dad
Meh. Surely this time will be different.
I don’t know anything about it but people are getting excited about plasmoid technology solving our pollution problems.
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I agree with you that it’s best to stay positive and remain optimistic that we, as a collective, will make things better. However, we can’t let that optimism downplay the urgency of the situation.
The world will not end but we’re well on our way to making it a much, much worse place to live for billions of people.
We are not making huge changes, at all. We’ve hardly scratched the surface of the climate change issue. It doesn’t matter that a few developed countries are taking steps in the right direction: it’s nowhere near enough. Even if all of the Western world went 80% carbon neutral next week, it wouldn’t amount to much as you still have countries like China, who singlehandedly pollute more than most other developed countries combined; or developing countries with huge populations and industrial output and scarce renewable infrastructure like India, Pakistan or Brazil.
Of course it doesn’t help either when you’ve got countries like the UK watering down their climate targets with regards to petrol cars, building new oil fields in the North sea, or Saudi Arabia lobbying for climate warnings to be suppressed for the sake of making a few bucks. They’re not the only ones to do this, I’m sure.
Reality is the wheels are beginning to turn in the right direction for some countries (albeit nowhere near fast enough) but net progress towards addressing climate change remains zero, if not negative because the message that climate change is here and we need to do something about it NOW is still falling on deaf ears in most of the top polluters.
Let’s remain positive, sure, but we can’t fool ourselves and think at this rate we’ll fix the problem.
We’re in the middle of a mass extinction event, with rapidly worsening weather patterns, on the verge of ecological collapse, and you’re worried about the messages framing because it’s fear mongering? We have a very good reason to be afraid, we should be directing it into drastic action. Get mad, don’t stay positive, there’s no reason to look on the bright side. Heads need to roll, we don’t need to hug it out and hope for the best.
The world won’t end, but humanity will if things don’t change
Isn’t mass deaths sort of a prerequisite for being in a mass extinction event? How the hell can you say we are in the middle of one when nothing has happened yet. You just sound stupid and needlessly exaggeratory
The Holocene/Anthropogenic Extinction
“The contemporary rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than the background extinction rate, the historically typical rate of extinction (in terms of the natural evolution of the planet); also, the current rate of extinction is 10 to 100 times higher than in any of the previous mass extinctions in the history of Earth. One scientist estimates the current extinction rate may be 10,000 times the background extinction rate, although most scientists predict a much lower extinction rate than this outlying estimate.Theoretical ecologist Stuart Pimm stated that the extinction rate for plants is 100 times higher than normal.”
“In The Future of Life (2002), Edward Osborne Wilson of Harvard calculated that, if the current rate of human disruption of the biosphere continues, one-half of Earth’s higher lifeforms will be extinct by 2100. A 1998 poll conducted by the American Museum of Natural History found that 70% of biologists acknowledge an ongoing anthropogenic extinction event.”
60 Percent of Global Wildlife Species Wiped Out
You sound willfully ignorant and in denial
We are not making huge changes. Definitely too little, hopefuly not yet too late. But you can, by stop eating animal products. It’s the most powerful thing you can do.
It really depends on where you live and your lifestyle.
Agriculture is 26% of global CO2 because everyone needs to eat, but not everyone lives in American-style suburban sprawl. The most powerful thing someone can do ultimately depends on what the worst thing they’re doing is. Taylor Swift would be better off getting rid of her private jet than going vegan. And not all foods are created equal - chicken is much better for the environment than beef.
US emissions are rather different from average global emissions. In the US, agriculture is only 10% of emissions, electricity is 25% and transportation is 28%. Light- duty vehicles like cars, vans and pickups are 58% of those transportation emissions; heavy duty tractor trailers are 23%.
So driving, in the US, is responsible for 16% of total emissions - more than the entire agricultural sector. Doing things to lower those emissions like supporting walkable, mixed-use transit-oriented development is big. Switching to using an electric cargo bike for grocery shopping is big. Switching to an electric car is at least better.
Installing solar is probably better for most Americans than going vegetarian, as well. If you’re French, Dutch, etc, then your milage will vary.
You sound like one of those naive christians haha
Humanity* is rightfully fucked though
Lmfao yall really think the planet can come back from the chicxulub impact but some greenhouse gasses are gonna end us
Hurr durr, there was a massive impact 60 million years ago, 11 deep into the human evolutionary chain when our great ancestor looked like a rat (carpolestes), and 75% of species went extinct you think the planet wont recover.
Oh yes, it will, it will recover. And life will likely flourish. Without us.
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uninhabitable in what sense?
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that doesn’t scream uninhabitable to me yet. i think humans are creative enough to come up with solutions i.e. manual pollination. bees being extinct wouldn’t make the world uninhabitable as far as I know
In the sense that we, humans, won’t be able to inhabit our planet, the Earth
how so though? what will go wrong first? oxygen depletion?
We can build a habitat for humans to survive IN ORBIT but zero possibility of building habitats down here. Got it, chief.
I, for one, welcome the coming human hives and artifical overlords with open arms.
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It’s called the international space station and muskymoo didn’t have anything to do with it
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muskymoo
There are 10 people in space right now. 8 billion down here.
So we are on the cusp of feasibly colonizing other worlds but the idea of colonizing our own world as it becomes less and less habitable over time with the same technology is somehow entirely alien to you.
Make it make sense.
We’re on the cusp of being able to ship huge amounts of materiel to Mars to support a small colony.
We’re not really on the cusp of being able to run a fully self-supporting colony. We’re pretty far from being on the cusp of being able to do the same en-mass on earth.
You made the argument yourself we are already making it uninhabitable for us. And if living in a dome is okay for you then go to one and stop wasting our time. When your dome fails don’t come crying.
And when your ecosystem calls it quits after the 10,000th oil spill, don’t come crawling to my dome looking for help.
I do not understand the implication of this picture. Can someone tell me?
Absolute smoothbrain take
