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The Israeli government has failed to comply with at least one measure in the legally binding order from the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in South Africa’s genocide case, Human Rights Watch said today. Citing warnings about “catastrophic conditions” in Gaza, the court ordered Israel on January 26, 2024, to “take immediate and effective measures to enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian aid,” and to report back on its compliance to the specific measures “within one month.”
One month later, however, Israel continues to obstruct the provision of basic services and the entry and distribution within Gaza of fuel and lifesaving aid, acts of collective punishment that amount to war crimes and include the use of starvation of civilians as a weapon of war. Fewer trucks have entered Gaza and fewer aid missions have been permitted to reach northern Gaza in the several weeks since the ruling than in the weeks preceding it, according to United Nations Office of the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA).
“The Israeli government is starving Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians, putting them in even more peril than before the World Court’s binding order,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “The Israeli government has simply ignored the court’s ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid.”
Human Rights Watch found in December 2023 that Israeli authorities are using starvation as a weapon of war. Pursuant a policy set out by Israeli officials and carried out by Israeli forces, the Israeli authorities are deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food, and fuel, willfully impeding humanitarian assistance, apparently razing agricultural areas, and depriving the civilian population of objects indispensable to its survival.
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what a surprise that a genocidal regime refuses to comply with anti genocide orders.
Israel is hopeless…
An order that has no enforcement arm.
I suppose there is the idea of honour. Or simply, wanting the world to be sure you are not committing genocide.
Instead the Israelis have turned a whole generation against them. they will find it hard to travel and be accepted as a civilised people from this point on.
there is no significant protest in Israel against the genocide. they are complicit. the only protest is against the way things are being done.
Anything anti Israel is antisemitism stop being a nazi and just bend over
there is no significant protest in Israel against the genocide
There is, but it’s being systematically repressed, often violently.
Just like in Russia, thousands are being brutalized by their government for protesting while people like you make frankly bigoted statements about how they’re all willingly complicit.
Israel isn’t hopeless, Bibi just has to go
If there is no significant protest against the genocide then they are hopeless.
There is, though, see my first reply to your untrue assumptions for documentation.
you are free to show me documented instances of mass protest against the genocide in the strip.
the Israelis are fine with the destruction. they even revel in it.
I already did here, can’t you read?
There are a few great anti war protestors but 80% of israel supports the current Genocide.
The current media spin is that this is all just a “Netanyahu problem”. But what we’re seeing now is just israel. And it’s what israel always has been.
So what is the solution for this problem, in your opinion?
There are absolutely some voices for peace and equality in Israel, like the two knesset members that were suspended, Ofer Cassif and Aida Touma-Sliman as well as organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace, Breaking the Silence, and B’TSelem.
Unfortunately, these voices are still in the minority and are actively being suppressed by the Israeli government. The history of transfer and settler colonialism has been deeply entrenched in Zionist and Israeli leadership since before and after 1948
Dude. The protests should be too large for the police to contain. A dozen people here and a dozen there is not mass protest.
It isn’t an issue of changing rulers. The very foundation of the Zionist states depends upon settler colonialism, apartheid, and genocide - to completely replace the population of an entire region.
“The Israeli government has simply ignored the court’s ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid.”
So what are we going to do about it? Because it better fucking not be absolutely nothing. History will not be kind to us for our response to this.
If Israel is above the law, why not Putin? Why not Kim Jong Un?
Because those guys are on our team and those guys are on the other team.
And china and other african countries
China gets condemned all day
Africa gets condemned all day too and we don’t even mention that all their conflicts are caused by Western imperialism stealing their minerals and resources
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“History will not be kind to us”
I mean, the US also supported the Guatemalan genocide and appartheid South Africa, yet nobody gives a crap.
History will be fine with us since we will be making the text books
Well I know what I would write and it would not be fine.
…They are? I thought we knew this.
We’re going to vote for Joe Biden, even though he has facilitated this genocide, because somehow Trump would be worse than 10,000 dead children. /s
Trump would be worse yes. Cause the Palestine situation would most likely get worse. And a lot of other things as well, like Ukraine. I’m not sure what’s so difficult about it.
One is our present reality, the other is a hypothetical future. That’s what makes it so difficult.
The purpose of voting is to improve the future.
When Americans go to the polls, they look to the past – not the future.
Then why don’t we vote that way?
We do, if “we” are European.
By contrast, most Europeans tend to vote the opposite way from Americans, taking a “prospective” perspective.
It’s not as difficult as your presentation makes it sound. This should be a lay-up for the Grand Old Party. I could accept a moderately conservative truly moral alternative to cosigning Israel’s strategic suicide. Instead the party heads are too scared of the base (must not have any guns) to put their true enemy in prison where he belongs.
I could accept a moderately conservative truly moral alternative
Too bad no such thing has existed in American presidential elections since the 70s at the latest.
The 80s had national morality prescribed by televangelists.
Yup, all of which are of course thoroughly immoral hypocrites. The “trickle down” fiscal policies and the ramping up of the oppressive “war on drugs” were immoral as hell too.
If this election isn’t difficult for you, maybe meditate on why that is. 30,000 dead. 10,000 children. If Trump had done this, people would be apoplectic. Instead, we get rationalizations on why Biden is necessary. This is not an easy choice for me. And I’m not ashamed to admit it.
False dichotomy. People are apoplectic and that’s why the rationalizations are happening. I’m not ashamed to admit it.
He means it would be covered entirely differently in the media and you know he ain’t wrong, that’s probably why you’re deflecting instead of responding honestly.
I’m not sure I follow your dialectic, or if I even want to.
You think Trump would stand up to Israel?
No. Do you think Biden would stand up to Israel?
I hear Biden getting shit over Israel all the time! The hell do you mean?
I have a difficult time responding to discordant logic. My mind doesn’t work that way.
It’s not difficult. Let me break it down for the smooth brained repubs with fewer brain cells than teeth:
Orange Man want sell guns. Orange Man want brown people die.
Biden use political pressure. Biden try slow down Israel.
Pootin want orange Man. Pootin want use conflict to divide left.
With 30,000 dead Palestinians and 10,000 of them children. I’m not sure I trust your phrenology.
Shocked, SHOCKED that someone who supports Palestine thinks that Israeli lives are worthless.
How you inferred that from my comments is insane.
Trump will continue this and do worse things, don’t be naive
So the guy that self immolated yesterday was… naive?
Did he advocate for Trump over Biden?
Some things are more important than elections, don’t be so naive.
Last time Trump was in office, he killed a million people in America alone with covid.
If you want to do this gross tragedy Olympics shit you should at least consider that there are around 600k people in Gaza and over 300 million in America.
To make this argument honestly, you should either normalize the numbers against population (spoiler Biden is about 10x worse this way) or compare all the deaths worldwide that could be traced to either one. I suggest you actually do neither of those.
Gaza Strip has a population of 2mil. Gaza (the city) had a population of ~800k before the bombings.
My bad. That’s what I get for trusting what google plastered at the top of the results page. With that number figured in, Biden is just 3x worse.
You would have to be literally retarded to believe who the president was affected that to any great degree.
Source?
I dispute the broad generalization that Trump killed 1 million people, not his contribution to the pandemic. From what I’m reading, @ 330,000 deaths could have been prevented.
Oh that’s alright then.
If I understand you correctly: Trump isn’t directly responsible for COVID deaths, but Biden is directly responsible for Palestinian deaths.
Man, the mental gymnastics must leave you in knots by the end of the day.
You don’t understand me correctly. Trump is responsible for COVID deaths, and Biden is responsible for Palestinian deaths.
Come on man. Don’t defend Trump, we all lived through that shit.
Then stop making me. Posting misinformation about the number of deaths he caused is just as bad as the Q-anon conservatives. Trump could have prevented 330,000 or so deaths. So don’t exaggerate. It tarnishes credibility.
How about the 1.2 millions Americans that died from covid while Trump down played a global pandemic?
COVID is not really the strong point differentiator you may think it would be. Depending on where you draw the line of responsibility it’s a pretty close tally.
I would think that the president of the most powerful national on earth actively lying about pretty much everything falls very neatly on the wrong side of the line
What? That’s not even the type of line being referenced. It’s when in time you divide the deaths. Which would be obvious if you read the link.
i’m sure a little more paper work will fix this. we just need to find the right forms
Technically, now that the Genocide ruling has come through, a third party invasion of Israel is justified and the invading nation can sue anybody who tries to embargo them over it.
Sure, a complete bloclade of all goods except for humanitarian that is verified by other paperwork to reach the intended recipient. So customs declarations and permits.
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As an individual, the No Thanks app helps boycott buying Israeli products
They do have a decently popular vtuber agency so it muddles the water for me…
Watching fake anime girls play videogames or act like morons, or not supporting a country attempting genocide…
Doesn’t seem a difficult choice tbh.
Of all the things, vtubers? Really dude?
Right wing extremists do whatever the fuck they want and don’t care about the judicial system. Haven’t we learned that from WW II?
I thought the ineptness with which the climate crisis is handled made me loose faith in the status quo. But this is just incredible, in the literal sense of the word. Watching the west openly support, what looks more and more like an active genocide, with words and with weapons. It makes my fucking blood boil.
And they wonder why we use drugs and alcohol. You can’t treat mental health if there is no healthy reality to return to.
Who’s gonna make them stop? There are no war crimes if you are an US ally.
The mechanism that prevents Israel’s genocide, Russia’s invasion, Chinese expansionism, North Korean brinksmanship, and American taunting and provocative Imperialism is the same: international law.
As long as the US as the military hegemon rejects international law and courts: efforts to restrict or prevent any of the above will ultimately fail.
I’m not sure whom do you expect to enforce that international law. And the concept itself sucks, for example, some morons would say Western Armenia and Artsakh are parts of Turkey and Azerbaijan in that.
I mean, the existing framework would be the United Nations. Doesn’t have to be, but it’d have to be one where the permanent members don’t just reject the legitimacy and jurisdiction of international courts to enable invading countries. Those courts should be able to review and perhaps rule on such things like border issues and separatist movements for both standing and substance.
Pragmatically speaking I would much rather borders change via things like Brexit, Kosovo (after 1999 when UN intervened), and the Crimean referendum vs Donbass-Donetsk, Kosovo (before 1999), or Gaza.
The above are all complex issues with varied and unfavorable outcomes but the point being there is a very clear dividing line.
Kosovo (after 1999 when UN intervened)
It appears that this only happens when the aggressor has nothing at all to offer.
and the Crimean referendum
I hope you are aware there’s been no real referendum.
Just Ukrainian military and police on the peninsula generally failed to react, and then under Russian military control there’s been something called referendum.
Right, but the point being the degree and presence of violent military action.
Suffering isn’t limited to violent military action, then murder, rape, looting, vandalism of cultural heritage may follow.
In case of Ukraine - those “pro-Russian” forces were comprised of bandits basically, who would do extrajudicial executions of those they didn’t like, seize properties etc.
Well I for one am shocked
So, if i remember correctly, doesn’t that mean Israel could get the status of state deprived?
This is Human Rights Watch, Amnesty international and every major NGO saying it.
The ICJ has yet to undertake any real action.
Ah, my bad…thanks for clarifying
Did Israel even ever sign the treaty establishing this court? I’m not pro Israel but i feel this is misleading.
They withdrew from the ICC International Criminal Court
This ruling is from the ICJ International Court of justice with they are members off.
They represented themselves in the court, which would have been absurd if they didn’t recognize it in the first place.
So what are the consequences for them not obeying?
well since the US is still backing this project, there are none.
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Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s what i was thinking of.
Yes, the Genocide Convention.
I believe even without signing it, other signatories still have to everything they can to prevent genocide.
Every genocide attempt ever they think they can just stall it out until they’ve finished the job. Every time the next generation pays for the sins of the fathers.
they think they can just stall it out until they’ve finished the job.
And they are usually right
Why would they? Might makes right
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I would currently suggest donating to media like Zeteo or GDF for more exposure on the war so it stops.
Getting single people out is just donating 30k to the corrupt Egyptian government.
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