For phones, merely a user replaceable battery would be so much of an improvement.
You’ll love the new EU law that forces batteries to be easily removable and replaceable by the end user (by 2027).
shure. the brand.
‘Throwaway culture’ implying it was ever a choice and not something that was forced on us.
Gotta keep blaming the consumer. Those poor corporations simply can’t take the constant exploitation and gaslighting from the hateful, greedy, selfish masses that’re ruining the planet with every single second that passes. 😶
Yes, I’ve been using fairphone for a number of year and when I upgraded to 4 I gave my 3 to my mom. Still works great and gets updates as well as spare parts.
The other way round for me. Approaching 70 and get my sons old phones. More than happy.
you are 70 and still understand how federation and similar things works? damn, I wonder whether I would be like you (updated on the internet and sorta things) when I reach 70
stay curious
that’s what bought me to lemmy and i wonder how long i will stay like that. once you are cozy on something, the “stay curious” mindset would just vanish.
Age is just a number, it’s where your head is at that counts.
I understand how youth looks on oldies because I remember how I thought when I was younger. I now see how wrong I was.
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When you find your mother on Lemmy…
i wish they made rugged and water proof versions so my clumsy ass could buy one.
I can’t wait to get one in the us soon. But I’ll hang onto my current phone for as long as I can before hand. Best way to conserve is to use what you have ATM.
The recent climate scares shook me up, I’m embracing whatever we can do to reduce our impact. A lot of it is small, but it’s voting with the wallet.
Thing is, the whole economic system relies on a steady stream of “buy a replacement”. If you make something that lasts forever, the maximum number of sales you can make is around 8 billion (usually less). So stuff needs to wear out and break. I’m sure as heck going to challenge it regardless.
And honestly a recent sustainable purchase was a toothbrush by Suri (my old brush broke. It’s still greener to use what you already have if it works). As a very sleek, quiet, well designed product that feels of a high build quality it’s debunked the thought of sustainable meaning “same thing but with sacrifices”. It proved to me that some sustainable stuff can actually be better.
Back in school we were taught that products have lifetimes in which they are popular and once those run out you have to get a new one on the market if you want to keep growing.
I try to remain optimistic but if your product never breaks and is never “out of date” then the market will be saturated at some point.
There was this company in Germany that sold the “Römertopf” which was basically a ceramic baking utensil that never broke if treated right. They went out of business because pretty much everyone that wanted one already had one.
I hope someone smarter than me can carve a business out of producing robust and sustainable electronics and the like, because if no one is successful with it the big companies will never follow suit.
Yeah that’s the worry I was alluding to in my second paragraph and I don’t know what the answer is. Probably that it’s a fundamental problem with capitalism.
It looks like you can still buy Römertopf stuff online, so I suspect they’re still in business. At the end of the day they’re ceramic, they will be broken so there will always be some demand for them.
But your point stands. There is a serious danger for a company to make a product that lasts forever so that they’ll never get repeat business.
I think a company could theoretically get around this problem by growing slowly (or not at all). That way, they can keep making some money to keep the tooling and the knowledge around go keep manufacturing going at a low level. They can produce replacement parts and replacement products and still keep the business afloat. Nothing is indestructible. There’s still a bustling cast iron skillet market, after all.
Of course, the problem with that is infinite growth is what fat cats want, not slow sustainable growth.
But what do I know? I’m a moron on the internet.
Not tech in the sense of the article but disposable vapes are so bad. Belfast is littered with them atm. See them on the road with the batteries hanging out.
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Most people that vape around me vape for nicotine, doubly so for disposable vapes. Is that very different from your experience?
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Can, but won’t because there’s insufficient incentive to produce and use it.
These are sustainable and repairable, not life long. They shouldn’t be advertised as such, it’s blatantly misleading.
Article calls it “longlife,” not “lifelong.”
