A joke that is lame despite being common, yes. You can still be toxic, even if you’re acting that way ironically.

I know it’s a common joke, but man steak elitism is so lame. So long as they eat & enjoy the steak, why do you care how it was cooked?

There’s so little improvement in the world these days, we can’t really be picky about the improvement we do get.

Hmm. While I do apologize if you’ve been insulted, I’m also rather confused as to how you’ve been insulted. I haven’t been disparaging any community you’re a part of, unless you briefly moved from PT to humptulips and haven’t mentioned it. Is this just leftover hostility from misunderstanding that “the peninsula” does not mean the kitsap peninsula unless you are in the Greater Seattle Area++ ? A tad patronizingly phrased I realize, but geeze are you shifting the goalposts and that’s frustrating.

Anyways, I dislike these quote-heavy replies but sometimes they’re the only expedient way to address everything:

Do you think someone is going to just move here without preparing, just because I said it was cheaper than Seattle in a comment on Lemmy?

Yes. Lemmy has a huge concentration of queer people, and the queer community both sticks together and is not, on the whole, very large. You made your initial comment to contribute an alternative option for other queer/trans refugees to consider, much as I made my initial comment to highlight the need for caution around specific aspects that often go unmentioned in the greater conversation. Even if nobody is directly influenced by reading your comment, the people who go on to repeat your ideas may indeed influence other people - this is a core aspect of how human communication functions.

That they’re going to drop everything, including their brain, and move here at any cost? It’s really not as black and white as you’ve been trying to make it.

Yes again, though not the brain part. This literally happens every day. It’s a huge part of the reason why queer youths make up nearly a third of the homeless population in king county. It’s something I donate a fair amount of my time working to mitigate. For thousands of people in our community who are living in red states, it literally is this black and white. They’re fleeing - a process during which people are not generally known to sit down and do the prudent thing like make a budget spreadsheet.

I don’t think you understand how bad it is outside of WA for queer people.

I don’t think you understand how bad it is inside WA for queer people. But I also don’t know how you could possibly have drawn this conclusion from what I’ve said so far, so I’m willing to chalk it down to heated tempers and gloss over it if you are.

There are plenty that have made it work, aren’t in significant debt, and yet aren’t people I would call rich.

While I am sincerely glad you are okay, I think you may not realize how lucky you actually are. More than 50% of queer people in the US make less than $50k a year, and fully 35% make less than $30,000. I’m glad you were able to find housing, but the reality in which we live is that fucktons of queer people (literal thousands in many application pools) need help to live here - the entire premise of the above article - and offering areas that have seen some of the sharpest COL increases in the country over the last two years as an alternative is not helpful. And yes, I do understand that you never said they were cheap, just cheaper than seattle. It’s just that the $400 difference between paying $1750 and $2150 a month in rent isn’t particularly relevant when the most you can afford is $500.

Do you live out here to know what it’s like, or have you lived here within the last 10 or so years?

I’m a [edit: big data nerd] So… yes, I’m pretty well versed in this subject.

The issue is not that queer people can’t live here, but that people will move here because they have heard it’s culturally great for queer people and nobody mentions that it’s ungodly expensive to live here and our housing assistance programs are (in some cases quite literally) orders of magnitude beyond max capacity, so many of them become homeless or live in serious poverty as a result. That was what I called attention to in my original comment - and why I’ve been so confused as to why you brought up the possibility of living in the other nearby seattle-suburb cities. They have the same problem - there are few jobs that aren’t highly specialized, those that do exist are inundated with applications (some entry positions I have seen have had thousands of applications) and housing is scarce and absurdly expensive.

You have to be very careful before moving out here to avoid falling into the endless debt pitfalls or outright homelessness. People really need to be aware of the reality that this is a hyper-capitalist area and the disgusting realities that come with it, and be prepared to handle that.

Who could have possibly predicted that the logistical burden is much less common for people who don’t live in an apartment (me I did, it was me). Goodness. I had clearly never considered such a situation could arise (lies I said exactly that). You have clearly bested me, woe betide, etc, etc, this pretty clearly isn’t going to be a productive conversation, cheers or whatever.

Because for several years on the olympic peninsula, fentanyl overdose displaced heart disease for leading cause of death. Opiate abuse is still incredibly high anywhere on the peninsulas outside the greater seattle suburb cities, far higher per capita even than in seattle proper. It’s an incredibly rampant problem, driven mainly by the socioeconomic stagnation that makes people want to flee from those towns. I’m glad you’re surviving, but I gotta be honest, in a discussion about the total lack of charity funding because of the massive demand for their services it’s kinda weird to come in and suggest moving to places that are only slightly better, or to assume that those regions are what’s being discussed instead of the massive region full of destitute conservatives.

I understand you want to correct someone you feel is maligning the region in which you live and your lived experience and so forth, but in this case I think you have misunderstood the fundemental premise.

I’m just confused as to what your goal was, I guess. Sure it’s cheaper, but those areas are just extensions of the problem with the outrageously high cost of living and housing in the greater seattle area. Anyone that’s in a position where they can choose Port Townsend over Seattle isn’t struggling to get by - and the lack of funding for public services as expressed in the OP article really isn’t relevant to them.

… Isn’t the seagull the cheapest model BYD makes? Hyundai hasn’t even tried to compete in the sub $10k range - pretty much any other model from BYD or Hyundai would be an upgrade over the seagull. If you have reliable access to a charger it’s an excellent choice, but the teeny tiny batteries in those models and the 40kw max charging rate can make it logistically challenging, especially if you live in an apartment without charging accommodation. It’s just about as dirt cheap as it’s possible to make a vehicle without you having to pedal, which is an accomplishment, but lets not be too hyperbolic in our praise here.

(Heck, they’ve removed so many features the ad copy for that model has to celebrate such charming aspects as the vent design, which admittedly does look sorta cool, but… not really helpful in deciding if I want a car or not)

Thanks, Trumbama…

I suspect you’ve misinterpreted me? This article is extremely biased, as it’s literally the viewpoint and theories presented by one of their biggest rivals. There’s no whattaboutism in my comment either, leaving me overall pretty confused about your response.

In every example I have seen, displaying your insurance card locks down your phone until you enter a pin to prevent exactly this issue.

Sure, fair enough. Unfortunately my original point that it’s inordinately expensive to live here also still stands. It’s cheaper on the various peninsulas, but not all that much - and those various sound towns don’t have much in the way of community support infrastructure.

“Today, justice has finally been done for our grandmother, Ruth Ellis – the last woman to be hanged in England in 1955.”

“This pardon does not undo what happened 71 years ago. It does not restore the lives that were broken - the children left behind, the years lost. But it says, formally and finally, that Ruth should not have been executed; that the justice system failed her. That acknowledgement matters profoundly to our family.”

“Ruth was a victim of sustained and brutal abuse. Her children - our mother and uncle - never recovered. My uncle took his own life; my mother’s trauma left her unable to be the parent we needed. The shadow of Ruth’s execution has fallen across two generations. We have carried shame that was never ours to bear.”

"We are deeply grateful to the Justice Secretary for having the courage to act. We hope Ruth’s story serves as a lasting reminder that the justice system must reckon with the abuse that drives women to the edge - and must never be afraid to acknowledge when it has got things wrong.”

I went into this thinking it was a little bit silly since nobody would design a car without most of those but:

If you have a Model Y from 2025 or later, press the brake pedal to pull up the drive mode strip on the touchscreen. Tap the drive mode strip to shift into Park. You can also press Park on the overhead console.

You have to shift gears with a touchscreen?? WHAT??!? I knew they were shit cars but what the actual fuck are they thinking?

Yeah, I’ve got a 230V 50A outlet I can hook into easily enough once I get the wasps cleared out. I’d really like to stick a dedicated lvl 2 charger out there, but IDK if my panel can even handle the load from that outlet alone. I’ve been putting off upgrading it for ages, and all the electrician friends I’ve asked for help about it have just sorta stared at my panel for a while then quickly changed the subject to asking about my smoke detectors, which seems like a good sign.

(My Ioniq is new enough to have come stock with the newer, supposedly-fixed ICCU + the software patch, so fingers crossed that it should be fine (I haven’t heard of them failing, at least). Really love the car though - first one I’ve owned that made driving actually like… a fun thing to do. Also damn that charge time on 800v is ridiculously nice)

Upside, you can get a reasonable charge over the weekend on a Level 1 charger alone - something I really wish my ioniq 5 could do (not that I’m procrastinating hiring an electrician or anything…)

Alright. And while your anecdotal evidence is as valid as my own, I will put out that house prices in Sequim average ~$500k, and PT is around ~$650k (for reference, seattle is ~$850k. Median rent in Kitsap county is ~$1750/mo for a 1br)

Yes, being in one of the trendy neo-suburbs of seattle is likely to be more queer friendly - but it’s still not exactly affordable to live there. If the goal is “a jobless trans person can afford to live there on savings while they get established” in western wa, you start looking at towns deeper on the peninsula or western WA in general - places like Elma, Aberdeen, Moclips. I’ll freely admit that I didn’t consider places like Port Townsend in my initial cautioning - because it’s not a place someone can easily afford to move to, especially from one of the states queer people generally are fleeing from.

(edit: clarity)

… Kitsap county isn’t part of the olympic peninsula.

That’s awesome! One thing nobody mentioned to me is that EV owners tend to know each other because we’re all hanging out at the chargers, and everyone (with the very notabale exception of tesla owners) is super nice! It’s just generally a pretty positive experience socially as well as economically.