• huginn
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    But none of those triumphs were inevitable.

    It’s nice to think they were: I’d rather live in a world without slavery and with democracy but there was no guarantee of success except the fact that in hindsight it was successful.

    Not all forms of government have won out. Nor will all possible forms of government succeed.

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      Yes, but looking forward from their end, with your perspective, none of them were possible. My point is that it’s fallacious to claim that just because it hasn’t succeed yet, it can’t succeed.

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        Remains to be seen if anarchism can ever win though.

        Statist forces have always triumphed.

        Nowhere does this preclude future victory: this is an accurate representation of the current state of affairs. Anarchy has 0 victories and it remains to be seen if there will be any.

        Until 1783 Democracy had no modern victories either, and it very much remained to be seen if it would.

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          7 months ago

          Make a point. Don’t make me assume what your point is and then just restate random facts still without making a point.

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            My point is and always has been the same: we don’t and can’t know if Anarchism will win out against statist forces or not. All we know is that it never has.

            If you’re expecting a more polemic argument about Anarchism Bad or something you won’t find it. I wasn’t here to debate anarchism: just to add a caveat.

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              I mean your argument boils down to “we can’t see the futurere” to which I can only answer “well duh”. There’s nothing there.