Comparing kratom to heroin is pretty wild. One seems like a relaxing tea, the other is heroin.
The war on drugs can’t keep rolling without its key component - catastrophizing.
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I never got really into it, so thanks for the correction. I tried it a few times, didn’t really enjoy it much and moved on.
Idk if you’re being sarcastic or if i just didnt do enough cause i never experienced withdrawals, i doubt i didnt do enough though.
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You’re definitely full of shit. I went out of state to buy krotom by the ounces and did way less, so if you were doing more then an ounce per day you had something seriously wrong with you, rather in your head or for real. But at that point its just smarter to get on heroine.
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You dont build an ounce tolerance normally. I used to down piles of krotom to get high, no withdrawals ever. And this is coming from a self proclaimed drug warrior who has survived two ods.
Edit: and you deleted all your bullshit comments like a bitch. Had you acknowledged you were wrong that would be fine, but nooooo.
Omg. Kratom is nothing like heroin or opioids. Jeezy pete
Yeah none of my friends have died in a union gospel mission bathroom from kratom…heroin on the other hand is a different story
Mine either bub. The shits rough. Hugs.
why would they go after kratom when tianeptine is the problem?
Because kratom is an easy target. Few people have heard of it so it’s easy to force their initial reaction. It threatens both the pain drug and marijuana lobbies.
I sorta wonder about these overdoses in the article to. My wife and I tried it since marijuana legalization is done in a way that makes it expensive and we wanted to see if it would help at all from avoiding some other drugs. Little to no effect and it was annoying to drink. I feel like someone whould have to guzzle quite a bit or combine it with other stuff that would more likely be the culprit over kratom.
Yeah definitely. I have a friend who has a severe abdominal pain issue that no one has been able to figure out for almost a decade now, severe enough and without any sort of warning that he is on disability and cannot work. Sometimes so bad he has to be hospitalized. Most doctors he’s seen have essentially just been wanting to throw opiates at it, just treating the symptoms with highly addictive drugs.
Most of the time however, kratom has been able to treat the daily symptoms. When that can’t, marijuana has been able to. He rarely has an issue requiring a hospital visit now despite still no idea what the root cause is.
I do think there needs to be some sort of regulation on things like additives along with the kratom. I feel like a lot of those deaths are more likely a situation similar to fentanyl being secretly added to street drugs to boost the effect, and that not being disclosed to the user or potentially even known by the dealer which causes people to overdose using a dose that otherwise would have been “safe”.
We don’t want to force more things down the same path as truly medically relevant drugs like marijuana thanks to political bullshit like the failed War on Drugs.
thats what the tianeptine is. Its functions just like an opiate.
Wow, it’s about to get wild
I like how they mention that there aren’t any dosage advice on most of the products and “not our problem if you die” portrayal. But the whole reason most products like Kratom don’t give usage advise is because doing so tends to then come with regulations that tend to be bad-faith. Yet the largely more damaging products that are openly sold in “supplement” stores are able to grift all day. Stuff like Kratom actually does shit and therefore gets sniped by pharma and other deep pockets.
They went nuts over how many people tried or actively used shit like K2/Spice. But the only reason basically everyone used it was all down to weed being illegal. If weed were legal, then there wouldn’t have been a massive demand for K2 or any of the variants. At least with shit like Kratom, the chances of bad shit happening are super fucking low compared to the shit that pharma somehow convinced the gov and regulators wasn’t addictive.
Biden going after the real criminals. Kratom & Ketamine. Alcohol is completely safe though.
The DEA sought to temporarily reclassify kratom as a schedule 1 substance in 2016, but reversed course following a backlash. So in lieu of federal oversight, a growing number of states and cities have been cracking down on kratom on their own.
What’s this have to do with Biden?
Nothing at all. User timewarp does this a lot. It’s just a repackaged “Thanks Obama” idiots would chant anytime anything went wrong. Even though it has nothing to do with the president, logic and critical thinking aren’t their strong suit.
The prosecutor in charge of the case is a US attorney. I’m not sure… Can you let me know if Biden has any influence in what attorneys prosecute and the scheduling of drugs?
We tried banning booze once. It didn’t go over well
Alcohol is highly regulated, fyi
When I worked in gas stations the only people who bought kratom seemed to be opiate addicts trying to find an alternative, maybe to wean off it.
I’ve known a few people who quit smoking by stepping down to vapes and then quitting those, so maybe kratom use can sometimes be an analogue to that. Not denying vapes addict people or that kratom is addictive and has significant downsides but perhaps it’s a positive thing in certain cases
