Here’s the nursing school pharase for anticholinergic side effects: Can’t see, can’t pee, can’t spit, can’t shit. Doctors tend to use: red as a beet, dry as a bone, blind as a bat, mad as a hatter, hot as a hare, full as a flask.
If going through that just to also be able to hallucinate sounds appealing to you, go for it.
just eat some psychedelics like a normal person the worst those can do is shatter your image of self and then rebuild it, oh and sometimes your muscles can ache a little afterwards because flexing them felt amazing
I think it should be pointed out that some traditional psychoactive drugs (such as datura) work the same was (they’re potent anticholinergics) and you’d have to be nuts to use them.
although idk if there’s just not a lot of content for it being a forum or if I’m just really bad at navigating it… the threads always seem abruptly short and I haven’t found a good way to browse them but maybe I’m spoiled with modern social media.
I was too much of a bookie introvert to have found the good drug websites during that era. Lol. Glad that something remained, though. I just started a neocities site and it’s such a blast from the past. I’m having to completely relearn everything, though. My old angel fire was 99% copy and paste and I didn’t commit any of the html to memory lol
As an alternative to psychedelics, you can reach the same states through meditation. With modern techniques you won’t even need to sit under a tree for 49 days.
My personal advice is: Making meditation a habit is the main hurdle. Set the bar of success so low you can trip over it, such as “I will meditate at least 3 minutes a day”.
And for more what you seem to be after, you can’t go wrong with the Gateway tapes. They’re some guided meditations with a fancy audio technique that helps your brain tune to the desired mental frequency. This is a good place to start: r/gatewaytapes/wiki/start but I wouldn’t recommend browsing the subreddit unless you want your experience to be influenced by the sub’s communal lore.
If you’d like I can send you a link to a drive folder with the files if you don’t want to pay.
The only time I’ve heard of serotonin syndrome being a real (common) risk is with MAOIs and alcohol…
Shrooms/SSRIs causing it is not something I’ve ever been able to find information about. Every time I try to dig something up, because I am pretty careful about mixing drugs, the vague consensus (that is, in sources that aren’t making blanket statements about recreational drugs in general being bad because drugs are bad) is it’s probably fine, maybe it lessens the trip altogether, maybe it lessens the negative side effects of the trip, we just need to look into it more. Serotonin syndrome is a conspicuous thing to not mention if that’s a risk with any significant merit to it.
It’s certainly an emerging field due to psilocybin’s place on the drug schedule preventing any very extensive research. It seems to me like that claim is based mostly on conjecture that because they both can increase presence of serotonin, that has potential to become a risky situation with SSRIs. Mind you, however, that the exact mechanisms of this are not fully understood by science and so aren’t very good bases to draw sweeping conclusions from without research or data.
I’m both an SNRI user (strattera) and occasional psychonaut (not more than once a month, if I had to give an average for the year). I’ve never had anything but positive experiences with mushrooms and haven’t noticed any difference on vs off my SNRI.
Had a bad trip on acid once but that was more down to hubris than anything else. I wasn’t even on the SNRI back then.
This is of course anecdotal so absolutely take in all the information and make your own decisions for your body. Just thought I’d share what I know.
(Sorry for all the edits, my longer comments tend to be living documents for their first 10 minutes of life or so, mostly for grammar fixes)
Yeah, the info I was speaking from was mostly from a concern for the seraronin syndrome, not from hard evidence because like you said, it’s an emerging area of study.
I did just see a study a few days ago, coincidentally, where the abstract said they found a 3 to 6 months period of time from last dose of an SSRI before it stopped interfering with shrooms trips.
Yeah, tolerance and dosing with shrooms is kinda tricky (as in there’s a trick to it, not that it’s really difficult) if you’re doing them with any regularity. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar to that where you have to take quite a bit more to not only break the threshold to trip again but achieve the same level of trip, and your tolerance lessens with each day that passes.
I might be able to attest to that if I had been doing shrooms a little longer before I started strattera. Perhaps it’s harder to achieve higher level trips, now that I think about it. But this is new information to me so it’s something I’ll have to keep an eye on. I happened to take .3g last night and got a bit more bang for my buck than expected. I also forgot to take my strattera yesterday. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Low level trips are still valuable though imo.
Here’s the nursing school pharase for anticholinergic side effects: Can’t see, can’t pee, can’t spit, can’t shit. Doctors tend to use: red as a beet, dry as a bone, blind as a bat, mad as a hatter, hot as a hare, full as a flask.
If going through that just to also be able to hallucinate sounds appealing to you, go for it.
just eat some psychedelics like a normal person the worst those can do is shatter your image of self and then rebuild it, oh and sometimes your muscles can ache a little afterwards because flexing them felt amazing
I think it should be pointed out that some traditional psychoactive drugs (such as datura) work the same was (they’re potent anticholinergics) and you’d have to be nuts to use them.
Scopolamime is a deleiriant not a hallucinogen, it is not fun or recreational at all, don’t do it kids
Not a psychedelic*. It very much is a hallucinogen.
Any advice on getting decent info for someone considering beginning that particular journey?
https://www.erowid.org/
Thank you!
Erowid is one of those “old Internet” relics that I’m grateful we still have. Now I need to sit and ponder my nostalgia for no less than 30 minutes.
although idk if there’s just not a lot of content for it being a forum or if I’m just really bad at navigating it… the threads always seem abruptly short and I haven’t found a good way to browse them but maybe I’m spoiled with modern social media.
I was too much of a bookie introvert to have found the good drug websites during that era. Lol. Glad that something remained, though. I just started a neocities site and it’s such a blast from the past. I’m having to completely relearn everything, though. My old angel fire was 99% copy and paste and I didn’t commit any of the html to memory lol
As an alternative to psychedelics, you can reach the same states through meditation. With modern techniques you won’t even need to sit under a tree for 49 days.
technically you can but that’s going to take you roughly 100 times longer and might not work at all
Look, I did not plant this bodhi tree for the fun of it, I’ll take my 49 days!
But also any links to meditation advice is appreciated
My personal advice is: Making meditation a habit is the main hurdle. Set the bar of success so low you can trip over it, such as “I will meditate at least 3 minutes a day”.
And for more what you seem to be after, you can’t go wrong with the Gateway tapes. They’re some guided meditations with a fancy audio technique that helps your brain tune to the desired mental frequency. This is a good place to start: r/gatewaytapes/wiki/start but I wouldn’t recommend browsing the subreddit unless you want your experience to be influenced by the sub’s communal lore.
If you’d like I can send you a link to a drive folder with the files if you don’t want to pay.
Hi fren would you mind sending me those files? Drive link is perfect or whatever you prefer
I’d love a link! Thank you so much!
Also, sorry for taking so long to reply. Haven’t had a lot of Lemmy time the last few days
https://psychonautwiki.org
https://tripsafe.org
Also seratonin sickness and personally acid gives me a crazy fever
Yeah I looked into mushrooms until I realized that people on SSRI meds won’t get anything from it and also seraronin sickness is lethal in some cases.
The only time I’ve heard of serotonin syndrome being a real (common) risk is with MAOIs and alcohol…
Shrooms/SSRIs causing it is not something I’ve ever been able to find information about. Every time I try to dig something up, because I am pretty careful about mixing drugs, the vague consensus (that is, in sources that aren’t making blanket statements about recreational drugs in general being bad because drugs are bad) is it’s probably fine, maybe it lessens the trip altogether, maybe it lessens the negative side effects of the trip, we just need to look into it more. Serotonin syndrome is a conspicuous thing to not mention if that’s a risk with any significant merit to it.
It’s certainly an emerging field due to psilocybin’s place on the drug schedule preventing any very extensive research. It seems to me like that claim is based mostly on conjecture that because they both can increase presence of serotonin, that has potential to become a risky situation with SSRIs. Mind you, however, that the exact mechanisms of this are not fully understood by science and so aren’t very good bases to draw sweeping conclusions from without research or data.
I’m both an SNRI user (strattera) and occasional psychonaut (not more than once a month, if I had to give an average for the year). I’ve never had anything but positive experiences with mushrooms and haven’t noticed any difference on vs off my SNRI.
Had a bad trip on acid once but that was more down to hubris than anything else. I wasn’t even on the SNRI back then.
This is of course anecdotal so absolutely take in all the information and make your own decisions for your body. Just thought I’d share what I know.
(Sorry for all the edits, my longer comments tend to be living documents for their first 10 minutes of life or so, mostly for grammar fixes)
Thank you for this post with information.
Yeah, the info I was speaking from was mostly from a concern for the seraronin syndrome, not from hard evidence because like you said, it’s an emerging area of study.
I did just see a study a few days ago, coincidentally, where the abstract said they found a 3 to 6 months period of time from last dose of an SSRI before it stopped interfering with shrooms trips.
Found it again: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37291890/
Interested in your thoughts.
I haven’t delved too deep into this topic because everything I have read ranges from you won’t get anything from it to its actual dangerous for you.
Yeah, tolerance and dosing with shrooms is kinda tricky (as in there’s a trick to it, not that it’s really difficult) if you’re doing them with any regularity. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s similar to that where you have to take quite a bit more to not only break the threshold to trip again but achieve the same level of trip, and your tolerance lessens with each day that passes.
I might be able to attest to that if I had been doing shrooms a little longer before I started strattera. Perhaps it’s harder to achieve higher level trips, now that I think about it. But this is new information to me so it’s something I’ll have to keep an eye on. I happened to take .3g last night and got a bit more bang for my buck than expected. I also forgot to take my strattera yesterday. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Low level trips are still valuable though imo.