• fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    11 months ago

    Android doesn’t use Java at a byte-code level and never has, as far as I can tell. Source code was written in Java since mobile developers were so used to it but Android never ran the JVM, they do their own thing with Java source.

    You can dislike Java syntax but the software stack on Android wasn’t Java’s.

    • Sheltac@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      Wait, thats is very different from what I read back in the day. I know there was a point at, I dunno, android 5 where they started doing something different with java, but my impression was that android always ran a JVM of sorts. And frankly, given how it performs even on the highest-end devices, that was really easy to believe.

      I guess I need to do some research now.

      • bluefirex@lemmy.world
        cake
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        37
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        No you’re correct. Android does run a JVM, just not Oracle’s. That has always been the case. Back in the day it was Dalvik, nowadays it’s ART.

      • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
        cake
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        11 months ago

        Pretty sure it was Dalvik virtual machine that Java was compiled to byte code for before 4.4 when they deprecated Dalvik for Android Runtime (ART), fully dropping Dalvik in 5.

        • saua@troet.cafe
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          11 months ago

          @fartsparkles @Sheltac Android always ran dalvik bytecode and never Java bytecode
          The change to Art was just a replacement of the “VM”, but didn’t change what byte code was run. It’s similar to how Hotspot improved the Java VM while also not fundamentally changing that it’s running Java bytecode.

    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      11 months ago

      Dalvik/ART is essentially the same idea. It uses dalvik byte code, much in the same way the JVM operates.

      There’s some complexity (it’s designed to do different things, and the whole Oracle lawsuits added some wrinkles) but it’s not so different as you imply.

    • K0bin@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      11 months ago

      They compile Java Bytecode to Dalvik Bytecode and run that on the Android Runtime which is a tiered JIT compiler.

      It still inherits the issues of Java such as the GC, no stack allocated value types, poor cache locality, etc. Although tbf the GC on Android is pretty fucking good these days and doesn’t pause the world anymore.