I know, it’s not what you’re looking for and it’s horrible, and I also don’t mean this as a jab, but eating vegan consistently is extremely difficult with little money. Especially when I’m in the middle of a food desert and I’m closer to a nuclear power plant then I am to an actual grocery store.
In full honesty, buying in bulk used to be incredibly useful at places like Costco, and I could survive off of only going there a handful of times a year and buying metric tons of vegan food for wholesale prices.
That doesn’t exist anymore and all the prices are the same and higher. I’ve lost a lot of weight from not eating. Eating vegan is a massive privilege.
Eating healthy is privileged. It’s actually cheaper to eat healthy vegan than healthy omnivorous. Of course unhealthy and environmentally destructive stuff is extremely cheap because McDonald’s are everywhere.
Maybe US is very different from Europe, but think it depends what someone expects of food.
McDonald is not food. So it’s not for comparing with real food. But even than I can not imagine potatos and peas cost more than anything in McD. less thah a pond of peas and 100ml of olive oil must be less than 5usd, add few tomatos and you have a great meal.
A small bag of potatoes costs 7-10 dollars, and fresh peas are ridiculously expensive so most people just buy frozen ones. Tomatoes are also about 50 cents/1 dollar each. Olive oil is also very expensive but can be found for relatively cheap if you look hard enough.
This isn’t possible in food deserts though. THERE IS NO FOOD other then McDonalds. Simply none. Nothing.
I don’t think this is necessarily true. Beans, lentils, tofu, and check peas are cheaper than any non-vegan protein, especially if you get dry beans.
Even if you’re in a food desert, I don’t see how that changes vegan vs non vegan food. In a food desert what else are you going to get, fast food? It’ll be cheaper to get a taxi to a grocery store than eating that way.
I didn’t say it was non vegan. But it isn’t healthy. Rice and beans mostly, some vegetables they I grow, cheap pasta. I have a friend who I can buy buckwheat through sometimes. Yes, I have a buckwheat dealer.
Also do you understand what a food desert is? Tofu? Chickpeas? You wish. I’m lucky if I see regular chicken breast every few months.
A cab to the closest grocery store will ring you 80 dollars there and back, not costing the cost of finding an Uber (there are none where I am), or a cab (these do not exist outside of major cities). Are you paying the bill? How is that cheap? If you want a good leg day, you should apparently be able to make the trip in 4 hours by bike (I live in an extremely mountainous area so good luck), or about 12 hours round trip by foot.
To answer your question, I grow some food, but it’s not much, and since I don’t eat fast food (one of the only food options) I starve.
Also what makes you think I can afford to purchase the vegan options at a regular grocery store if I magically teleported to one?
It sounds like this is a problem that stems from living in poverty, and isn’t really a vegan vs non-vegan issue. Of course you have to eat what’s available when there’s no other choice, and yeah I understand that there are no good options when you live in a food desert.
Having a buckwheat dealer sounds kind of badass though.
Thank you. I don’t mean to come off as hostile or anti-vegan, as ironically I have been eating basically vegan for a long time.
But when you have to choose between survival and starvation, extremely snarky people act like you’re the devil because you have to dare eat chicken as opposed to tofu because you simply can’t afford it, and would not like to die.
It gets old fast, seeing people in positions of privilege act all high and mighty and holier then thou, because you dare eat a “violence product” because you have no other choice.
Per pound, and per caloric mass; Tofu is nearly 3 times the cost of traditional cheap meats like chicken breasts where I am. I cannot justify that. Plus a lot of farms are subsidized so meats are purposefully kept cheap.
Im happy you have the privilege of living in an area with those possibilities. But that is simply not the reality for the majority of people.
Im sorry that I have to choose between my own death, and eating “violence based counterparts”.
Starve.
I know, it’s not what you’re looking for and it’s horrible, and I also don’t mean this as a jab, but eating vegan consistently is extremely difficult with little money. Especially when I’m in the middle of a food desert and I’m closer to a nuclear power plant then I am to an actual grocery store.
In full honesty, buying in bulk used to be incredibly useful at places like Costco, and I could survive off of only going there a handful of times a year and buying metric tons of vegan food for wholesale prices.
That doesn’t exist anymore and all the prices are the same and higher. I’ve lost a lot of weight from not eating. Eating vegan is a massive privilege.
Eating healthy is privileged. It’s actually cheaper to eat healthy vegan than healthy omnivorous. Of course unhealthy and environmentally destructive stuff is extremely cheap because McDonald’s are everywhere.
Maybe US is very different from Europe, but think it depends what someone expects of food.
McDonald is not food. So it’s not for comparing with real food. But even than I can not imagine potatos and peas cost more than anything in McD. less thah a pond of peas and 100ml of olive oil must be less than 5usd, add few tomatos and you have a great meal.
A small bag of potatoes costs 7-10 dollars, and fresh peas are ridiculously expensive so most people just buy frozen ones. Tomatoes are also about 50 cents/1 dollar each. Olive oil is also very expensive but can be found for relatively cheap if you look hard enough.
This isn’t possible in food deserts though. THERE IS NO FOOD other then McDonalds. Simply none. Nothing.
Jesus fucking christ a kilogram of tatos in Poland costs like 2 to 4 zł. 💀
How much weight do you get in a “small” bag?
5 pounds is considered a small bag (if you’re not getting the fancy potatoes) and that’s about 2.3 kilos.
On sale you can get that bag around 5 dollars. Sometimes they drop to 3 dollars and I try to buy as much as I can.
Jesus that’s a fortune for potatos… Especiallt considering your minimum wage and the minimum wage in Poland. It’s a huge difference.
I don’t think this is necessarily true. Beans, lentils, tofu, and check peas are cheaper than any non-vegan protein, especially if you get dry beans.
Even if you’re in a food desert, I don’t see how that changes vegan vs non vegan food. In a food desert what else are you going to get, fast food? It’ll be cheaper to get a taxi to a grocery store than eating that way.
What cheap non-vegan food are you eating?
I didn’t say it was non vegan. But it isn’t healthy. Rice and beans mostly, some vegetables they I grow, cheap pasta. I have a friend who I can buy buckwheat through sometimes. Yes, I have a buckwheat dealer.
Also do you understand what a food desert is? Tofu? Chickpeas? You wish. I’m lucky if I see regular chicken breast every few months.
A cab to the closest grocery store will ring you 80 dollars there and back, not costing the cost of finding an Uber (there are none where I am), or a cab (these do not exist outside of major cities). Are you paying the bill? How is that cheap? If you want a good leg day, you should apparently be able to make the trip in 4 hours by bike (I live in an extremely mountainous area so good luck), or about 12 hours round trip by foot.
To answer your question, I grow some food, but it’s not much, and since I don’t eat fast food (one of the only food options) I starve.
Also what makes you think I can afford to purchase the vegan options at a regular grocery store if I magically teleported to one?
I’m sorry, it’s awful you’re going through that.
It sounds like this is a problem that stems from living in poverty, and isn’t really a vegan vs non-vegan issue. Of course you have to eat what’s available when there’s no other choice, and yeah I understand that there are no good options when you live in a food desert.
Having a buckwheat dealer sounds kind of badass though.
Solidarity, comrade.
Thank you. I don’t mean to come off as hostile or anti-vegan, as ironically I have been eating basically vegan for a long time.
But when you have to choose between survival and starvation, extremely snarky people act like you’re the devil because you have to dare eat chicken as opposed to tofu because you simply can’t afford it, and would not like to die.
It gets old fast, seeing people in positions of privilege act all high and mighty and holier then thou, because you dare eat a “violence product” because you have no other choice.
the fact that the staples are generally cheaper than their violence-based counterparts
Per pound, and per caloric mass; Tofu is nearly 3 times the cost of traditional cheap meats like chicken breasts where I am. I cannot justify that. Plus a lot of farms are subsidized so meats are purposefully kept cheap.
Im happy you have the privilege of living in an area with those possibilities. But that is simply not the reality for the majority of people.
Im sorry that I have to choose between my own death, and eating “violence based counterparts”.
I haven’t eaten tofu in years. I’m talking about rice, beans. You know, the shit that people way poorer than you have to live on.
That’s what I do live off of smartass. That’s basically my whole diet. Thanks for smearing it in my face.
Did you even read the rest of the thread?
Also how do you know anything about me or how much money I have to live off of per month? You don’t, stop being snarky.
Goes both ways, comrade. You started throwing out assumptions and accusations about “privilege” first.