• Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    So you telling me one of the two most unpopular candidates is gonna win on their merits? Cause sounds like nepotism with extra steps.

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      1 month ago

      1: Who are you saying is one of the most unpopular candidates? You seem pretty misinformed.

      2: Do you know what nepotism means? Which candidate inherited their position because of family ties?

      Your comment makes no logical sense.

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        1 month ago

        Kamala Harris is the candidate because? Oh she was grandfathered in. And who do you think is popular? Cause irl i hear basically the lemmycrat takes that they will hold their nose to vote Harris, meanwhile again IRL everyone says same about Trump. I find no organic support for either candidate only hate on the “other option.”

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          No. She’s the vice president, and it’s very common for a vice president to become the candidate in the next election.

          Because I doubt you’ll care enough to click that link, here’s a partial list:

          John Adams (under George Washington)
          Thomas Jefferson (under John Adams)
          Martin van Buren (under Andrew Jackson)
          John Breckenridge (under James Buchanan)
          Henry Wallace (under Franklin Roosevelt)
          Richard Nixon (under Dwight Eisenhower)
          Walter Mondale (under Jimmy Carter)
          George H W Bush (under Ronald Reagan)
          Al Gore (under Bill Clinton)

          And I’ve left out many, many more who didn’t wind up with the nomination, partly because I’m on mobile and cross-referencing between Lemmy and web sites is a lot of work.

          This is nothing remotely like nepotism. Pretty much every VP does this. It’s part of the point, ffs.

          Any more arguments I can immediately debunk with facts?

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            So you ignored the substance of my statement to get a gotcha moment? You need self reflection because you still havent found any actual reason to like Harris. Like where is the student debt relief? Can we not fund genocide? Money printer go brrrrr, but what would Harris Change oh not a thing comes to mind, like why do you support your preferred candidate, can I get an elevator pitch please?

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              No, I didn’t ignore your comment at all. I countered it with the fact that a VP becoming the next presidential candidate is not only not remotely like nepotism, but is the standard for US politics, going back to the 18th century.

              Your anger at me is misplaced. I do understand how the system works, and I don’t like it either. But I prefer to direct my outrage where it will actually make a difference, and I’ve pointed out where you can, too: we need to change the system so 3rd parties actually matter. In the meantime, I’ll oppose anyone who will usher in a fascist government where women and minorities will have their rights stripped away, and where Christian nationalism will be forced into our orifices.

              How is that hard to understand?

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                Ok so I am debating the candidates, and you keep moving the discussion. This suggest to me you can not defend your actual position which appears to be pro-Harris. Eta you think a prosecutor who went after smoking weed who is supported by even Dick Cheney, is not an establishment player? Because why? Because shes not a white man? Like this strains credulity.

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                  How am I moving the discussion? I’m directly addressing your comments, which so far have had nothing to do with the candidates’s policies, but about Harris’s ‘popularity’ and ‘nepotism’.

                  If you want to talk about real issues, I’m all ears. I gave you the elevator pitch you asked for. Now let’s hear yours.

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                    1 month ago

                    Kamala Harris is unpopular

                    What happened to tearing down border wall?  How come evil Trump closed the border with a signature, Biden reopened it same way but somehow Trump blocks closing the border?

                    Where is the Biden student loan relief?

                    Why are we still giving arms to Israel?

                    The inflation reduction act Biden brought into existence has given us more inflation than anything.

                    But ya know talk about how vps run for president to ignore reality.

                    Im not even asking you to convert me, I literally asked why you specifically supported her and you wouldn’t even do that. More orange man bad because im too ignorant about the Canadian.