Just want to get this out somewhere. This is my first MMO with raiding and I’m in a mediumish static for it (not endgame prog). There’s a core group and the rest of us hop in as we’re able/interested. I figured at first I just sucked (which tbf I wasn’t great at start, I’ve put a lot of effort into getting better at the game to not be a burden on the static), but I’ve had a lot more success raiding with PUGs. Issues:
- Mechanics and our chosen solutions are rarely explained on call. I do try to read up ahead of time to understand the mechanics, but the group isn’t usually using the same strategy (I start with the wiki and then search for other guides from there if I’m still not understanding something so I don’t think I’m looking at weird, unconventional mechanics solutions). Different solutions from what I read is fine, they’re just never said anywhere in group. Far as I can tell the “core” group has usually talked about them prior to raid and doesn’t fill the rest of us in. We did a raid I really wanted to make sure I was following our group solutions for so asked for what guide we were using ahead of time, was given a video with the caveat “we changed some things”. The video didn’t really explain the mechanics well for me (was kind of just if you’re X role go here at this time, then there at this time, not how the mechanics worked) and when we got in instance the changes (which had to do with my role in one part) weren’t explained to me.
- When I ask questions about mechanics/solutions usually I don’t get an answer or it’s very vague (just make sure you’re at your position kind of stuff). I’m not asking about every single mechanic, if I ask about anything it’s usually just one I’m not being able to match up with a guide (usually because we’ve changed something and it was never explained to me). Waymarkers also aren’t usually explained to me even if I specifically ask what they’re for (not asking basic waymarkers like clock positions, if the waymark pattern is a random looking Z though I kind of want to know which ones match which mechanics).
- If I make any suggestions/requests (can we have a waymarker for X because several of us aren’t meeting this positional, can we actually stack for the personal aoes like we keep saying instead of loosely congregating in the area of the waymarker and fucking over anyone not standing outermost) it’s usually brushed off/ignored.
They’re a nice group and definitely better players than me, just getting super frustrated at this point cause I’ve tried a ton of stuff on my end to deal with the lack of communication between over communicating on my end (kind of hard cause there’s a lot of chat on call, but if I’m not getting something I try to insist we cut the chat so I can get the mechanic, just same issue with not getting a good answer), researching even if the core group says they want to do a “blind” prog cause I know nothing will be explained even if I ask, gitting gud at my job (know my rotation/uptime/if I know mechanics and our solutions I’m pretty good about being in position and resolving). In PUGs I have people ask and can ask myself “hey I’m not getting X mechanic, how’s that work?” and it’s not an issue… If none of us know we go look it up quick and then talk out how we want to handle it (“it’s a tether with a line attack so anyone who gets it wants to be in general X area out of the way, just make sure you don’t clip the tank and everyone else stay out of that area”).
Overall not the end of the world, just the only group I’ve found that does not-endgame raiding on my dc (not at endgame yet) and I want to get better at raiding so a bit frustrating.
It sounds like they’re treating you like a normal fill, which is lame, since they know you’re new. Finding a good static is so hard
Yeah that’s true, I do usually feel like I’m just a duty support NPC lol. Is a bit frustrating since if I knew our solutions I’d go down less and it’d be easier on the healers.
It sounds like they’re expecting you to have a lot of learned knowledge about how raids work. Once you’ve been raiding for a while, and I bet you’ve probably started to feel this, even in new content, you can kind of read things by instinct and hold on. That’s why people do blind runs. It’s fun to test that skill.
Frankly, by not explaining any of this to you, they’re doing a pretty bad job of being welcoming, or even friendly. That’s really surprising, because for most long-time players, getting someone new into the game is really exciting
Yeah I definitely can get a feel for mechanics to an extent and I don’t mind blind progs with PUGs (just not my static cause of the lack of communication). We do mainly extremes, savages and ultimates so there’s some mechanics you only see in those and it’s just a struggle to place a guide to playing when it’s your first time and trying to figure out what our strategy is because nobody will tell me at the same time.
Think it’s just a combo of core group has all discussed it beforehand and don’t get they need to explain to the rest of us for whatever reason. Late callouts when we should already be positioning and I don’t even know why we’re positioning this way or what the strategy is so I can adjust if I can’t meet the callout doesn’t help. And idk they just might not be good at teaching. Not that I’m asking to be taught, I’ll do the research, just tell me what the strategy is…
I think some of the raids we do are new to some of them and old to a few of them and mostly new to the rest of us not in the core group.
That sounds really frustrating!
I will say that at endgame, the Hector lecture videos are considered the gold standard for guide videos and tend to be the most commonly used PF strats, and those videos do actually explain the mechanics in detail, with diagrams of how the attacks go out. So while I hope your relationship with your static improves, or you find a better one, once you reach endgame, you should hopefully have a better chance at learning the mechanics either way.
Thanks! I’ll go subscribe for when I get there appreciate it! And yeah is what it is just needed to vent somewhere without crapping on them all cause they are really nice.
