The animal rights movement was genuinely kind of strong until you fucks went hardcore in public the last couple decades, sabotaging it.
Before that public sentiment was going our way. Now it’s more or less set in stone that humanity will without pause continue abusing animals in truly gruesome ways for at least a few more generations, with a minority vegan population. You’re ignorant of how you shaped the future of these animals, by making animals rights activism far less popular than it was and should’ve stayed you made it significantly easier to disregard animal rights activism as unimportant noise almost nobody will pay attention to… The vegans of the 2000’s and 2010’s should’ve been compensated handsomely by factory farm corporations for all the work they did to make a mockery of animal rights.
Cut the crap. It’s plain as day what’s happening here - you want to discredit the people who are actually doing things in order to make yourself feel better about not doing anything. It’s just a defense mechanism, and the person you’re really trying to fool us yourself.
Of course, it has nothing to do with corporate money or higher prices for consumers, it’s purely the people not participating in the system of abuse who are the problem. Very logical and definitely not just a defense mechanism.
And there it is, you practically just asked me to either go vegan or stop giving a shit about animal rights. Because what I am is incompatible with your understanding of animal rights.
For all practical purposes, I don’t give that much of a shit. So I’m basically slotting almost entirely into the mould you expect me to; I’m not in the streets shouting or in government buildings appealing that my minority concern should be considered for influencing regulation.
I’m instead on the internet talking about my support for it, and why vegans chastising insufficiently committed support for it has reduced support for it … with vegans actively chastising my insufficiently committed support for it.
I don’t care what you do, I am talking about the hypocrisy in your statements.
You did it again here, both saying you don’t give a shit but also are committed to supporting animal rights.
You started this by blaming vegans for reducing interest in animal rights, surely a projection of how you feel onto society. Thats your excuse for not learning more about veganism or trying it out. You already know enough right?
Go ahead and explain how you sending money to groups trying to convince slaughterhouses to use humane methods is helping?
What does help is that veganism is simply about reducing harm, and that it tends to have benefits for personal health, environment, and for animals.
But you can stick with your “if only we murdered them more politely things would be fine” line and see how much that helps.
Why do factory farms use outdated slaughter techniques in the first place? Production quantity comes first. They will not reduce their capacity to produce meat just to make the animals lives better.
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
You can literally enforce better conditions in farms, making factory farming practices illegal, and it’s possible we could’ve had the support required to make it happen.
If you amend your messaging and behavior even a little bit, it might still be possible.
How would we do that without dramatically reducing the amount of meat being produced?
As for the support, it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions. If they want to do things more humanely they are free to do it.
Its a waste of time in my opinion, and its hypocritical to be an animal activist who eats animals.
We can have a conversation about the ethical slaughterhouse in your mind but I guarantee you we will not agree on what is ethical treatment of an animal if thats the case.
…it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions.
You’re refusing to get this point right: I’m blaming vegans for public disinterest, which indirectly allows the factories to completely maximize profits by squeezing the animals they use.
Its a waste of time in my opinion…
I know you think that. You’re vegan.
You don’t care about the pig in the pen any more than you care about the prey in the field. What bothers you is that there are carnivores on your block. A cow could be tortured and slaughtered at 5, or live comfortably in a large field and die of natural causes, it makes no difference to you. You’re bothered by the steak on the plate. That’s your fight.
The animal rights movement was genuinely kind of strong until you fucks went hardcore in public the last couple decades, sabotaging it.
Before that public sentiment was going our way. Now it’s more or less set in stone that humanity will without pause continue abusing animals in truly gruesome ways for at least a few more generations, with a minority vegan population. You’re ignorant of how you shaped the future of these animals, by making animals rights activism far less popular than it was and should’ve stayed you made it significantly easier to disregard animal rights activism as unimportant noise almost nobody will pay attention to… The vegans of the 2000’s and 2010’s should’ve been compensated handsomely by factory farm corporations for all the work they did to make a mockery of animal rights.
Oops, you forgot to answer my question again.
Cut the crap. It’s plain as day what’s happening here - you want to discredit the people who are actually doing things in order to make yourself feel better about not doing anything. It’s just a defense mechanism, and the person you’re really trying to fool us yourself.
There is no candidate. You’d need to succeed in the democratic process, something your faction’s efforts have prevented.
Of course, it has nothing to do with corporate money or higher prices for consumers, it’s purely the people not participating in the system of abuse who are the problem. Very logical and definitely not just a defense mechanism.
The gymnastics involved in actively participating in killing and eating animals but calling yourself an animal activist is impressive.
I’m guessing you did your own testing to come to the conclusion that the healthiest diet includes meat and dairy, right?
And there it is, you practically just asked me to either go vegan or stop giving a shit about animal rights. Because what I am is incompatible with your understanding of animal rights.
For all practical purposes, I don’t give that much of a shit. So I’m basically slotting almost entirely into the mould you expect me to; I’m not in the streets shouting or in government buildings appealing that my minority concern should be considered for influencing regulation.
I’m instead on the internet talking about my support for it, and why vegans chastising insufficiently committed support for it has reduced support for it … with vegans actively chastising my insufficiently committed support for it.
I don’t care what you do, I am talking about the hypocrisy in your statements.
You did it again here, both saying you don’t give a shit but also are committed to supporting animal rights.
You started this by blaming vegans for reducing interest in animal rights, surely a projection of how you feel onto society. Thats your excuse for not learning more about veganism or trying it out. You already know enough right?
Go ahead and explain how you sending money to groups trying to convince slaughterhouses to use humane methods is helping?
What does help is that veganism is simply about reducing harm, and that it tends to have benefits for personal health, environment, and for animals.
But you can stick with your “if only we murdered them more politely things would be fine” line and see how much that helps.
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Factory farms won’t get better until demand reduces.
Got any great ideas to make factory farms more humane that won’t slow down production of meat? Is the demand going up or down over time?
Of course the answer can’t be reducing meat consumption in general, right? Dont have to be vegan to eat less meat do you now?
I don’t believe you have any proof of this. there is no mechanism by which reducing demand would improve factory farms.
Why do factory farms use outdated slaughter techniques in the first place? Production quantity comes first. They will not reduce their capacity to produce meat just to make the animals lives better.
Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?
i didn’t present any other idea. i said you don’t have any evidence your idea holds water.
You can literally enforce better conditions in farms, making factory farming practices illegal, and it’s possible we could’ve had the support required to make it happen.
If you amend your messaging and behavior even a little bit, it might still be possible.
How would we do that without dramatically reducing the amount of meat being produced?
As for the support, it sounds like you are blaming vegans for factory farmers actions. If they want to do things more humanely they are free to do it.
Its a waste of time in my opinion, and its hypocritical to be an animal activist who eats animals.
We can have a conversation about the ethical slaughterhouse in your mind but I guarantee you we will not agree on what is ethical treatment of an animal if thats the case.
maybe you can’t, but it seems like you think that would be a good outcome.
You’re refusing to get this point right: I’m blaming vegans for public disinterest, which indirectly allows the factories to completely maximize profits by squeezing the animals they use.
I know you think that. You’re vegan.
You don’t care about the pig in the pen any more than you care about the prey in the field. What bothers you is that there are carnivores on your block. A cow could be tortured and slaughtered at 5, or live comfortably in a large field and die of natural causes, it makes no difference to you. You’re bothered by the steak on the plate. That’s your fight.