• Tygr@lemmy.world
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    You aren’t forgotten. US and allies accepted the decision that was made within a week of us leaving. The country, as a whole, collectively chose the easy route of Taliban rule. That decision has consequences.

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          The gov had poor control over the countryside and the Taliban had infiltrated everywhere and was just laying in wait. The irony is they are now fighting another, even more extreme Islamic group, Al Qaeda.

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            The Taliban, AQ, and DAESH/IS/ISIL/ISIS have very different goals. The Taliban wants a theocracy in Afghanistan they control. AQ wants a caliphate in Mecca and the overthrow of the House of Saud. DAESH/ISIS wants a one world caliphate that they control.

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        Exclude the actual government of the country from negotiations, and then wonder why they stand by and watch when you pull out, and your enemy storms the gates…

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      Yeah, I mean, we were over there for well over a decade trying to fix that shit and the country as a whole just did not want to change, so we gave up and left. It was a giant waste for everyone involved.

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        Lol yeah that’s totally what happened in. It definitely wasn’t a scam where we turned Afghanistan into a black hole for contractor money.

        It’s unbelievable how naive and arrogant this thread is. How low can you get?

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          My dumb ass was 16 when it all started and even then I was aware enough to realize it was all about Raytheon, Haliburton, PMCs, etc…

          I blame those fucking pieces of shit Cheney and Rumsfield for not only stealing a potential future from me (because after realizing all that I said fuck joining the military) but obviously worse all the death and destruction that was caused for their financial benefit…

          Trump had a line “they’re not sending their best here” when being a dickhole in reference to immigration, but honestly that quote goes especially well for pretty much all of our politicians.

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        trying to fix

        😂😂👆

        A giant waste for everyone

        😂😂😂😂😂😂👆👆👆 Except the military money machine

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        You didn’t go to fix shit. You went because you wanted revenge. You stayed because a lot of people made money.

        Everybody told you back them you can’t fix Afghanistan’s issues by force. You just killed a lot of Afghanis for nothing.

        Then you went to Iraq.

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            I don’t really get the stance of “you wanted revenge, bloodthirsty revenge murica”. Did you forget that innocent lives were taken, unasked?

            What the fuck would YOU do? Sit there and twiddle your thumbs all like “oh…3,000 people, never forget. sniff”.

            That is revenge. You think it is justified revenge. Perhaps it was though history did not start on 11/09/2001. It certainly is not “we were over there for well over a decade trying to fix that shit” as the guy I replied too said.

            You also kind of forgot about the guy that actually arranged the attack for a few years while many more people died than in Afghanistan and Iraq than in WTC, most of them having nothing to do with the attacks.

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                That still though, doesn’t mean that those lives lost in WTC didn’t matter. That’s what you’re making it sound like. “DUUHHH THE CIVILIANS LOST IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ COMBINED OUTWEIGH THE BODY COUNT OF THE WTC TRAGEDY SO UHHH THAT MEAN THEIR LIVES MATTER MORE!” The whole damn war was a shitshow, again nothing new. But don’t go around pretending that there wasn’t a trigger somewhere for why shit happened as you’ve just demonstrated. You’re ignorant.

                All lives matter the same. Therefore tens of thousands of lives matter more than a few thousand.

                Of course you clearly believe American lives matter more. You clearly believe the war in Afghanistan was justified. I am neither ignorant nor barking at the wrong tree. I am barking at another racist American.

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              You also kind of forgot about the guy that actually arranged the attack for a few years while many more people died than in Afghanistan and Iraq than in WTC, most of them having nothing to do with the attacks.

              You were completely right until this point. It was absolutely for revenge, and the Bush Administration preyed on that desire to mislead the US into an awful war where even more innocent people lost their lives.

              But there’s no need to minimize the lives lost on 9/11. We can grieve for both. Arguing about which matters more because more people died takes away from the more important point – a tragedy was used to manipulate people into supporting another tragedy.

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      The feeling there was…

      1. The gov didn’t care about anyone outside of Kabul.
      2. They knew the US wouldn’t be there forever and the ANA had shitty moral. The Taliban however would be there when the US left and people didn’t want to be targeted for revenge killings, etc.
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        Many people including Americans are suffering and have been forgotten because of what happened over there. I guarantee there are many that wish they had done things differently and just minded their own business. Patriotism is a powerful con.