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    How come Christians forget that their entire religion revolves around a figure that becomes human sacrifice to absolve the world from sin. Like, come on.

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      Not to mention public burning people at stakes and other executions for heresy and apostasy was nothing other than human sacrifices. Communion is also weird remnant of ritual cannibalism. If you belive catholics, it is actual ritual cannibalism.

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    Followers of Yahweh also did human sacrifices, the Bible is full of instances of it, and even fucking Christianity revolves around human sacrifice.

    Least theocracist “leftChrist”, I guess.

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      It also explicitly condones and commands the murder and mass rape of women, the murder of gay people, the murder of people who work on weekends, and the murder of people from other religions, and on and on. The Bible is a barbaric book, and Christians aren’t at all better than any of the cultures they accuse of barbarism for doing the same things they do.

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        And it is NOTHING AT ALL socialist, for fuck’s sake! Zoroastrians fucking despised slavery, and it’s the oldest monotheistic/monolastric religion still functioning today! Jesus was a fucking racist son of a removed, and there’s almost no redeeming qualities in Abrahamism whatsoever! Fuck it, I’m fucking sick of Christians and etc pretending that their religion is something “leftist”.

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          Exactly. His message of “maybe be nice to the people around you” is nice when you remove it from context and ignore everything else he says. He made it explicitly clear that he was here not to abolish but to fulfill every last law, which includes every disgusting, outdated law “progressive” Christians ignore. The rise of Christianity represents a shift in economic systems, from slavery to feudalism. Feudalism is very much something we must strive against, and we should not be looking to feudal philosophies and religions for guidance, especially not for a socialist future. We must look forwards, not backwards.

          As someone from a very religious, Christian background, I find it very frustrating that leftists cling to it so dearly. I lived real Christianity and there was nothing leftist about it. We must be careful, of course, to separate religious structures from religious proletariat, but we cannot tolerate the existence of religious structures. We must strive against religion.

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            Iirc Kautsky wrote a book about origins of christianity. My reading list is long as hell but i think i will have to squeeze it somewhere.

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              What’s interesting too is to study the origin of Yahweh. Just knowing it should be enough for cataloging all Abrahamism into pseudoscience and fraud.

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                What about his origin? I remember reading Jahweh was originally just one of the canaanite gods and and Israelites were one of the caananite tribes, therefore exodus is bullshit.

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                  Yeah, and no Exodus, no Christ, no bullshit anymore lmao.

                  That’s why I said it should be enough to be considered pseudoscience and fraud lol. Even more once you know where the concept of immortal soul comes from, or even Satan (Aingra Manyu)

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            Religious “leftists” are opportunists without knowing it.

            They are the exact same thing as SocDems for Capitalism/Fascism but for Theocracism. For some reason people act like history began in the Industrial Revolution trying to hide the reality of older, and even worse systems than Capitalism exist and existed and even function today, while also hiding it under obnoxious fallacies and obvious lies.

            If you believe that there’s something eternal and unchangeable that has to be prayed, then it is fucking reactionary no matter how you present it. It goes against Dialecticalism because it wants to be preserved at all costs, even to the presentation and practice of their values, being the most reactionary thing ever this practice.

            There’s interpretations of Nazism that go like “no, the Holocaust was bad, and stuff, but you have to read Mein Kampf in its context and not in a literal way to find the actual phylosophy of Nazism! We’re actually very progressive!”. Why the fuck are we fucking distinguishing fascism from religion? It’s because a lot more of people believe in it and we are scared? Is it because we have been brainwashed?

            I too come from a real Chriatian family, where the study of the Bible was obligatory, and while it has his own interpretation (because Christians are cowards unwilling to just read the Bible and letting itself to speak for itself, maybe knowing it handles no real utility, nor moral value, nor sense), I was able to understand the core beliefs of Abrahamism because of this. I studied the core beliefs of different religions without having proselites nor apologists over my shoulder telling me what to understand and with history books at my side to actually understand context. And the real, material context makes all stances of Abrahamism NOT better than fascism.

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        “Even less when pretending you eat its flesh and blood, and even less when you cast spells for pretending it ACTUALLY BECOMES LITERALLY the blood and flesh. Stop saying I’m not different from other ancient religions!!! 😭”

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      Until the last bourgeoise becomes undistinguishable from a worker. Until the last noble and king abdicates their titles and are undistinguishable from the serfs. Until the las sacerdot become apostate and their believers atheists: No socialism will happen.