I mean what do we expect, these men had problems before war and now they have these problems plus a war trauma and now that Wagner might not have the money to keep all of them, they are on the streets with no job and not much money and probably no help for the trauma.
There will be a huge amount of men that weren’t in prison that come home with a war trauma and/or severe injuries and not much help, which then creates gererational trauma in their families. That’s why wars do not just end, but live long inside a country after the actual war has stopped. It is worse if you fight in a war that is seen by most people as an attack and a crime, it can make the trauma more severe.
i emphasize with the women and children of russia who are gonna have to deal with this. a good chunk of a generation of men are gone, dead or fled, and the ones who do come back are gonna be broken men. things are gonna get worse in russia before they get better.
Totally normal society.
During the medieval times, yes absolutely.
I know that Imperial Russia using prisoners to fight was a thing in the Russo-Japanese War, around 1908 or so, so that wasn’t nearly that far back.
EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Sakhalin
The Japanese occupied Sakhalin with minimal effort and low losses. The Russians suffered 181 dead and had 3,270 taken prisoner. The reasons for the low Russian resistance lay in the low morale of the soldiers, who were mostly prisoners and deportees with little or no military training.
This sounds like the start of a Death Wish movie.
Putin’s vision of a normal society is fucking stupid. How did a Russian mafia take control of the government?
🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀 allways has been.
The zars, Sowjetunion and putins dictatorship. It was allways the elites sharing the countries wealth and not giving a shit about the people.
Just wait until it becomes organized murder, rape and domestic violence with military training.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The vast majority ended up fighting for Wagner group, the private army run by Yevgeny Prigozhin, who in June went rogue and launched an armed mutiny that sent shock waves through the Russian political system before it was aborted.
As part of the deal, convicts were told that if they fought for six months and survived, they would be allowed to go back to normal life without serving the rest of their sentences.
It is not clear whether Kanyus is still fighting, but it certainly appears he is still alive, as he has posted regular updates to an account on VKontakte, a Russian social media network.
Samoilov’s mother told 29.ru, a local news site in Russia’s Arkhangelsk region, that her son had fought and been injured in Ukraine, and had now been pardoned.
“He was sent there, served for six months and in accordance with the law has now been released early,” the head of the North Ossetia region, Sergei Menyailo, confirmed in a press conference earlier this year, adding that in Tekhov’s place, he would not have returned home.
The family’s refusal to stay quiet meant the case resonated with the public, and the police who failed to show up to the repeated calls for help from the neighbours were even tried for negligence.
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This is a terrible summary and barely makes sense.
The article isn’t long and it’s worth reading.
The TLDR bot in here posted an article that seems more in line with someone with narcolepsy summarizing the article.
Yeah, I felt like I watched a “Previously on” segment on a season finale without having watched the season.
Fuck war
They’d better get some support program for those people entering civil life and soon
Yes, it’s called prison
Would you send every veteran to prison, too?
i hate the Russians as much as everyone else, probably even more. But when we’re talking about civilian Women being raped, i have Problems to not feel empathy for them.
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I never know what to understand. A few months back the news was all about how the prisioners where basically sacrificial lambs being slaughtered to cater to the unreasonable demand to capture Bakhmut. Now apparently they are all going to go back and wreck havoc.
Where is the contradiction? They were light infantry sent to capture a well defended fortress, aka sacrificial lambs being slaughtered to cater to the unreasonable demand to capture Bakhmut. The survivors — I don’t know where you got the idea of “all” from — are going to go back. Whether they will wreck havoc remains to be seen.
What is the intent of your post, by the way? Genuine confusion or trolling?
Edit: Ok – two murders and one (habitually) disorderly conduct already reported.
My statement comes from months of what was being told in the news. In terms of estimates it was said that around 40k Russian prisioners were recruited. UK intelligence estimated 20k of them died in the first few months. There was also the famous rule of three cited where for every person killed, you can count roughly 3 people injured. With those figures, most prisoners are wounded or killed. The kind of battles were said to be brutal, my assumption was the wounded would not return to a normal life. My confusion stems for an honest attempt to understand the truth. The way I see it, either the killed and injured are not exaggerated and then we could say a small percentage of the prisioners are potentially problems or the numbers are not what they say they are and the problem of returning prisioners would be as worrisome as the article implies. Please excuse me when I said they are “all” going back. I failed to convey the gist of the contradiction correctly.
You … DO realize wars do not have a 100% death rate, right? You DO understand “casualty” can refer to someone who has only been wounded enough to stop fighting, right?
I fail to see what I had mentioned in the comment that lead you to believe that I thought wars have a 100% death rate or that the word casualty did not include the injured.
Probably the, “I never know what to understand” coupled with the, “wait, NOW they’re not sacrificial lambs??”
Both are true. Both they get used and abused on the battlefield AND the survivors are going back to civilian life still rapists and murderers. You are clearly believing in a false dichotomy about who survives war.
It’s the fact that there is no contradiction unless you believe “sacrificial lambs” would have a 100% death rate.
Yes, why not both?
I seemed to have not conveyed what bothered me about the topic. Essentially the article states that a wave of crime awaits yet several previous articles stated that a big majority of the prisioners were killed. People fleeing were also said to have been shot and given the kind of gruesome tactics, being wounded would be life changing.
During the autumn and winter clashes at Bakhmut, the Wagner Group suffered huge losses. It is estimated that out of approximately 50,000 prisoners recruited in the second half of 2022, only about 10,000 continued their service at the end of January; the rest had been killed, wounded or deserted.>
That was the situation in January, they took Bakhmut in May (with the battle getting much worse during the end). Given those numbers, I doubt that a wave of crime as stated seems realistic.
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Hey sorry can you point out where it says that?
Because if you can’t please shut up and sit down.
This line of thinking is the same as folks who think covid wasn’t a problem because more people died from (insert cause here), and proceeded to not do a damn thing about (insert cause here).
It turns out you are allowed to report on something even if it’s not the most tragic thing humanity is seen.
pee poo pee poo
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another article about how women are the biggest victims of war 😂
I used to think such a comment is too disgusting for someone to make in our 21st century, but obvioysly I was mistaken.
