OpenAI now tries to hide that ChatGPT was trained on copyrighted books, including J.K. Rowling’s Harry Potter series::A new research paper laid out ways in which AI developers should try and avoid showing LLMs have been trained on copyrighted material.

  • Blapoo@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    We have to distinguish between LLMs

    • Trained on copyrighted material and
    • Outputting copyrighted material

    They are not one and the same

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      10 months ago

      Yeah, this headline is trying to make it seem like training on copyrighted material is or should be wrong.

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        10 months ago

        Legally the output of the training could be considered a derived work. We treat brains differently here, that’s all.

        I think the current intellectual property system makes no sense and AI is revealing that fact.

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        I think this brings up broader questions about the currently quite extreme interpretation of copyright. Personally I don’t think its wrong to sample from or create derivative works from something that is accessible. If its not behind lock and key, its free to use. If you have a problem with that, then put it behind lock and key. No one is forcing you to share your art with the world.

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          10 months ago

          Most books are actually locked behind paywalls and not free to use? Or maybe I don’t understand what you meant?

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          Following that, if a sailor is the sea were to put a copy of a protected book on the internet and ChatGPT was trained on it, how that argument would go? The copyright owner didn’t place it there, so it’s not “their decision”. And savvy people can make sure it’s accessible if they want to.

          My belief is, if they can use all non locked data for free, then the model should be shared for free too and it’s outputs shouldn’t be subject to copyright. Just for context

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      Output from an AI has just been recently considered as not copyrightable.

      I think it stemmed from the actors strikes recently.

      It was stated that only work originating from a human can be copyrighted.

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        10 months ago

        Output from an AI has just been recently considered as not copyrightable.

        Where can I read more about this? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times, but never with any links.

        • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          10 months ago

          They clearly only read the headline If they’re talking about the ruling that came out this week, that whole thing was about trying to give an AI authorship of a work generated solely by a machine and having the copyright go to the owner of the machine through the work-for-hire doctrine. So an AI itself can’t be authors or hold a copyright, but humans using them can still be copyright holders of any qualifying works.