I mean… I kinda get it, but nowadays it’s starting to get absurd.

(EDIT: This was supposed to be a “blow air out my nose and get on with my life” meme…)

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    21 hours ago

    I think part of it is being extra defensive considering our tankie neighbors… I don’t have any issues with the people of China, the culture of China, etc, etc.

    I’ve always thought that everyone was on the same page about China’s oppressive government, but now it feels like it needs to be said, as there are people actively arguing in its favor.

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      I hope that in publicly questioning the narratives I’ve been fed all my life I am not assumed to be advocating for China.

      I just like to try to think critically, compare disparate sources, and not pretend that I’m somehow immune to propaganda.

      It seems like people are quick to try to label me a tankie these days for engaging with the world in that way, but I don’t consider myself a tankie. It feels like a thought-terminating cliche.

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      Naw the same shit happens on Reddit and Facebook and every other place that isn’t TikTok or XHS. There’s a chart that shows Americans’ opinion of China being more or less 50/50 until 2015ish and then turning sharply negative after the trade war/propaganda blitz against them that started during Trump’s first term.

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      You cannot be on the side of the people of China, and claim China has an oppressive government.

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          …given China is an open socialist democracy, no, no you can’t.

          Anyone can run for office, anyone can get power.

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            18 hours ago

            You understand that even a democratic government can be oppressive, right? You can absolutely dislike a government without disliking the people it represents.

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              I bet if I would say “america is a democracy but it is oppressive”, they would agree, or start to express how it isn’t a democracy, because only wealthy people have a realistic shot.

              People who claim shit like you can’t like the people and dislike the government in a democracy, are telling me that I can’t like my friends and love my partner. I mean e.g. I met her after I dislike her government at the time.

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              Sure, the kakistocracy of the US can be called an oppressive democracy since only the rich vote on legislation, but that’s different from the peoples parliament which allows anyone to join and have power.

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              …how do you think people get in power in China, given there are no familial dynasties like the US?

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                Hard to say, considering Xi secured a 3rd term with a dog and pony show of party support. Also hilarious that you’d use a comparison like familial dynasties for the US from China of all places.

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                  14 hours ago

                  I’m sorry how long until Clinton 2028 is announced? Anyway xi has genuine party support, given, you know, his policy guidance has allowed China to surpass the us’ GDP while increasing the quality of life for citizens at all strata more than any other country in the same time period. That’s without bringing up his push for high speed rail, which has allowed more rail to be laid in the last 15 years than the EU and US have in total, combined. Or the green energy mandates which have out paced the entire rest of the world combined…

                  Successful leaders like xi tend to get reelected.