Russia has 'right to war' with NATO - Medvedev
www.euronews.com
“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

  • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
    123·
    1 year ago

    Technically he’s correct about the right, NATO agreed not to expand east back in the day and then violated that. I haven’t seen the evidence that they could bury everyone though.

      • mea_rah@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was never discussed; it was not raised in those years. I am saying this with a full sense of responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country brought up the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact had ceased to exist in 1991. – Gorbachev

        So yeah this is another case of russia bending history to fuel their victim complex.

        • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          It’s written right in your article:

          None of NATO’s pledges to the leaders of the Soviet Union have been written down in any agreement, signed by the two parties and codified. Indeed, no one claims to have such a document.

            • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              1 year ago

              It’s all that matters. Some random utterances, speaking off the record etc. don’t count, aren’t and cannot be binding.

              How could we bind ourselves to something if we don’t even know what exactly was promised?

              Furthermore, were those people uttering those hypothetical sentences even authorized to make such promises? We’ll never know, they were never written down, never vetted, nothing. It’s all meaningless.

              • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
                15·
                1 year ago

                In U.S. domestic politics, for example, an informal offer can constitute a binding agreement provided one party gives up something of value in consideration of payment in goods or services. A similar principle applies to inter- national politics: not only are formal agreements often the codiacation of arrangements that states would make regardless of a formal offer, but if private and unwritten discussions are meaningless, then diplomacy itself would be an unnecessary and fruitless exercise.

                Nope. The article then goes on to describe his research into exactly how NATO discussed how there was a long history of informal agreements during the cold war. The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved informally for example.

                • severien@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  4·
                  1 year ago

                  Well, US domestic politics isn’t international, is it?

                  an informal offer can constitute a binding agreement provided one party gives up something of value in consideration of payment in goods or services.

                  What did the other side receive? We’ll never know, since it wasn’t recorded, most people involved can’t remember (Gorbachev couldn’t recall any such promises) and/or are already dead.

                  The Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved informally for example.

                  It can be used to resolve an immediate problem. But it’s absurd to think that an unrecorded agreement whose terms nobody knows will be binding for eternity.

                  • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    13·
                    1 year ago

                    Wars have been started for far less. Not like there’s a world court that’s going to rule if a claim is valid or not.

      • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        no, but technically yes! Not like Russia needs to justify anything based on truth if that’s what they decide to do anyway though.

        • dub@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Technically yes isn’t yes tho. I mean Russia will do anything to justify itself. The difference between NATO expansion and Russian expansion, Russia engages military operations while countries are trying to join NATO to protect themselves from Russia

          • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            1 year ago

            Oh yeah, and it’s just propaganda. If your home is being bombed and country being invaded does it matter the motive? not really.

              • luckyhunter@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                1 year ago

                No one. Just the hypothetical. “I blew up your house because you are a nazi/fascist/commie!” Even if that’s a lie it doesn’t fix your house.

                • dub@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  1 year ago

                  so to be clear on the original point, NATO hasnt broken any treaty and its ‘expansion’ is people wanting to join so that they dont get invaded by russia