DIY install would cut the cost dramatically, the markup on labor was already fucking insane. You can get a roofer to do the install for the brackets and an electrician to certify the cabling for fraction of what solar installers want to do it.
Plus the equipment is dramatically cheaper doing it that way too. Go checkout https://signaturesolar.com/ and see how insanely larger your system could be for 70k lol.
Just as a quick example you can build a cart that is
27kW of solar input
24kW of inverter output
55kWh of storage
For about 30k then add 5k for cabling, lugs, fuses and breakers, and I’m also assuming you’ll need the lug crimpers and other such tools amd 5k for the mounting hardware, unless you happen to be or be friends with a welder then you can find a steel yard and make your own mounting hardware for pretty cheap.
So tldr for 40k you can have a system that wildly outclasses that 70k one from an installer. It’s not particularly difficult work to do there are a million extremely great tutorials available out there both in text and video form solar is mostly DC so it’s just positive to positive negative to negative. You can always have an electrician handle the final connection to the actual breaker box of the house and it will still be dramatically cheaper than having solar installers do the whole thing
Only if you’re in a place that lets you do it DIY. My county does not allow me to do any solar on my own, whether it’s tied to the grid or not. If I could do what you’re suggesting and hire a roofer to install the brackets, then install the panels myself and just hire an electrician to finish tying the wiring into my panel, I would do that in a heartbeat.
You’re absolutely correct in saying people can save a ton of money with DIY, but people also need to check their local laws and make sure they’re able to do that.
Grid tie i fully understand being regulated heavily but man i wish i could punch and then bury alive any officials that regulated offgrid self consumption. Like fuck off its basically just a larger version of those computer battery backups you can get at bestbuy lol. Or better it’s just a larger jackery battery and solar, they gonna fucking regulate those too? We can’t have people being self sufficient that would be just awful
When I was spec’ing a system for a DIY build, I was at about $60k for a 20kw system, with a 50kWh battery array, not including the actual copper wire to connect to the panel. But the problem you run into there is the bit about burning your house down, or electrocuting yourself, because the voltage gets very high, very fast. Wiring an outlet in your home is pretty simple, running new circuits from a breaker a little harder but still definitely within what a homeowner can reasonably do. But I was looking at things like pouring concrete for piers for a ground mount rack (my roof isn’t adequate, and is partially shaded), trenching to get to the house, using microinverters so that it could be expanded easily, etc., AND trying to be done by 31 Dec. so that I still squeak under the federal tax credit requirements.
And it’s not nearly as easy as you make it seem. Take panels; they’re all going to have slightly different sizes, voltage output, etc., and you need to understand that voltage output when you’re wiring them together. Some of the larger commercial panels (>650W or so) aren’t going to work with microinverters at all. Then you need to consider how many panels you’re going to be wiring in each string, and how you tie those strings together. Running everything in series runs the amperage up sharply, and running everything in parallel runs the voltage up. To make it even better, panel output increases in cold weather, so building a system with inverters and wiring that’s close to the load limit at 50F can easily end up exceeding the load limit if the temperatures drop to -20F. (And goddamn, copper cables for >200A service can get expensive.) Wiring? Well, hopefully your system is actually all solid copper wiring, and not copper-clad aluminum, because at the load limits for copper-clad aluminum it gets a lot hotter than solid copper; too much aluminum wiring in too close proximity can melt the insulation off in a hurry.
And, again, i can not overstate just how easy it is to kill yourself wiring this shit, because the voltages and amperages get REALLY high, really fast. 20kW is an enormous amount of power.
Just a quick correction it’s series that raises voltage, parallel raises amperage. It’s not that difficult to do this safely solar equipment is all made with safety in mind. For example it’s pretty rare that you should be working with raw wire especially any that is any type of live. The only time you will potentially be exposed to Raw wire is when you’re initially making mc4 connectors but they should not be plugged into anything while you’re doing that the panels will already come with their own mc4 connectors obviously you should fully make both ends of the cable before plugging them into anything.
Copper versus clad aluminum should not matter as long as you are using the correct size wire for the amount of amperage you expect to see, that’s the same issue you could run into with house wiring so it’s really no different than that the AWG sizes are standard and all come with load ratings. Regardless of the type of material it’s made of if your wire is getting any type of hot it’s a sign that you need a lower gauge wire it shouldn’t be getting notably warm under load much less hot
There is indeed some math to be done to make sure that whatever type of inverter you use will work with the solar panels and arrangements you plan on using. It’s some pretty basic math not particularly difficult, i do expect anyone doing DIY to do the bare minimum of reading the instructions. Don’t get me wrong there are some stupid people out there, like the people that leave one star comments on an Amazon product saying that the bottle is smaller than they thought even though the listing says the size of the bottle in the title and the description. However I am not going to base my general recommendations on that level of intelligence.
If you do some very basic reading, look over the description of the products which will also tell you what type of voltage they can take how many amps and usually any other considerations it’s pretty easy to put these things together correctly. And it’s fairly easy to put them together without ever actually having to interact with live voltage other than the final connection which if you really wanted to be ultra safe about you could simply do at night when there wouldn’t be any :) there’s countless information available that you can research beforehand if you’re ever nervous. Tons of great videos out there tons of great content on stuff like solarDIY forums etc
DIY install would cut the cost dramatically, the markup on labor was already fucking insane. You can get a roofer to do the install for the brackets and an electrician to certify the cabling for fraction of what solar installers want to do it.
Plus the equipment is dramatically cheaper doing it that way too. Go checkout https://signaturesolar.com/ and see how insanely larger your system could be for 70k lol.
Just as a quick example you can build a cart that is
27kW of solar input
24kW of inverter output
55kWh of storage
For about 30k then add 5k for cabling, lugs, fuses and breakers, and I’m also assuming you’ll need the lug crimpers and other such tools amd 5k for the mounting hardware, unless you happen to be or be friends with a welder then you can find a steel yard and make your own mounting hardware for pretty cheap.
So tldr for 40k you can have a system that wildly outclasses that 70k one from an installer. It’s not particularly difficult work to do there are a million extremely great tutorials available out there both in text and video form solar is mostly DC so it’s just positive to positive negative to negative. You can always have an electrician handle the final connection to the actual breaker box of the house and it will still be dramatically cheaper than having solar installers do the whole thing
Reference links for that price
2x Solar pallet
4xWall mount battery
2xstackable 12k inverter
Only if you’re in a place that lets you do it DIY. My county does not allow me to do any solar on my own, whether it’s tied to the grid or not. If I could do what you’re suggesting and hire a roofer to install the brackets, then install the panels myself and just hire an electrician to finish tying the wiring into my panel, I would do that in a heartbeat.
You’re absolutely correct in saying people can save a ton of money with DIY, but people also need to check their local laws and make sure they’re able to do that.
Grid tie i fully understand being regulated heavily but man i wish i could punch and then bury alive any officials that regulated offgrid self consumption. Like fuck off its basically just a larger version of those computer battery backups you can get at bestbuy lol. Or better it’s just a larger jackery battery and solar, they gonna fucking regulate those too? We can’t have people being self sufficient that would be just awful
If they catch you using it to be self-sufficient instead of paying the electrical company? You bet your ass they will
Late reply here.
When I was spec’ing a system for a DIY build, I was at about $60k for a 20kw system, with a 50kWh battery array, not including the actual copper wire to connect to the panel. But the problem you run into there is the bit about burning your house down, or electrocuting yourself, because the voltage gets very high, very fast. Wiring an outlet in your home is pretty simple, running new circuits from a breaker a little harder but still definitely within what a homeowner can reasonably do. But I was looking at things like pouring concrete for piers for a ground mount rack (my roof isn’t adequate, and is partially shaded), trenching to get to the house, using microinverters so that it could be expanded easily, etc., AND trying to be done by 31 Dec. so that I still squeak under the federal tax credit requirements.
And it’s not nearly as easy as you make it seem. Take panels; they’re all going to have slightly different sizes, voltage output, etc., and you need to understand that voltage output when you’re wiring them together. Some of the larger commercial panels (>650W or so) aren’t going to work with microinverters at all. Then you need to consider how many panels you’re going to be wiring in each string, and how you tie those strings together. Running everything in series runs the amperage up sharply, and running everything in parallel runs the voltage up. To make it even better, panel output increases in cold weather, so building a system with inverters and wiring that’s close to the load limit at 50F can easily end up exceeding the load limit if the temperatures drop to -20F. (And goddamn, copper cables for >200A service can get expensive.) Wiring? Well, hopefully your system is actually all solid copper wiring, and not copper-clad aluminum, because at the load limits for copper-clad aluminum it gets a lot hotter than solid copper; too much aluminum wiring in too close proximity can melt the insulation off in a hurry.
And, again, i can not overstate just how easy it is to kill yourself wiring this shit, because the voltages and amperages get REALLY high, really fast. 20kW is an enormous amount of power.
Just a quick correction it’s series that raises voltage, parallel raises amperage. It’s not that difficult to do this safely solar equipment is all made with safety in mind. For example it’s pretty rare that you should be working with raw wire especially any that is any type of live. The only time you will potentially be exposed to Raw wire is when you’re initially making mc4 connectors but they should not be plugged into anything while you’re doing that the panels will already come with their own mc4 connectors obviously you should fully make both ends of the cable before plugging them into anything.
Copper versus clad aluminum should not matter as long as you are using the correct size wire for the amount of amperage you expect to see, that’s the same issue you could run into with house wiring so it’s really no different than that the AWG sizes are standard and all come with load ratings. Regardless of the type of material it’s made of if your wire is getting any type of hot it’s a sign that you need a lower gauge wire it shouldn’t be getting notably warm under load much less hot
There is indeed some math to be done to make sure that whatever type of inverter you use will work with the solar panels and arrangements you plan on using. It’s some pretty basic math not particularly difficult, i do expect anyone doing DIY to do the bare minimum of reading the instructions. Don’t get me wrong there are some stupid people out there, like the people that leave one star comments on an Amazon product saying that the bottle is smaller than they thought even though the listing says the size of the bottle in the title and the description. However I am not going to base my general recommendations on that level of intelligence.
If you do some very basic reading, look over the description of the products which will also tell you what type of voltage they can take how many amps and usually any other considerations it’s pretty easy to put these things together correctly. And it’s fairly easy to put them together without ever actually having to interact with live voltage other than the final connection which if you really wanted to be ultra safe about you could simply do at night when there wouldn’t be any :) there’s countless information available that you can research beforehand if you’re ever nervous. Tons of great videos out there tons of great content on stuff like solarDIY forums etc