It must be so easy being an anti-communist; you can just make up what ever bullshit you like and expect people to believe you. Even when what you’re saying is straight up impossible because human biology doesn’t work that way
Photos were linked elsewhere. I’m making no political statements (if you like, I’ll state that the west has enabled massacres far worse than Tiananmen Square). I’m just ensuring history isn’t whitewashed.
You’re ensuring that the US military-intelligece-propaganda-industrial complex’s false narrative is maintained. You’re doing the global hegemon’s work for free, unaware that you’d been propagandized by them like everyone else. Including almost all of us. Most of us used to be just as hoodwinked as anyone.
Please check if this is possible. I beg you. You have a shirt of some trousers or something that’s too worn to wear or donate. Go put it outside and drive over it with your car over and over. Does it ever liquefy? You can put cloth on tramlines and they still wouldn’t ‘wash down the drain’.
And the tank man video is him stopping the tanks from leaving, not arriving. He’s telling the soldiers to turn around and ‘finish the job’.
The whole “all the protesters were herded into the square, machine gunned, then homoginized via tank and washed down a drain” is a fabrication.
What actually happened, you can look up the gorey pictures and everything:
Protestor groups 1-2 blocks away from the square lynch multiple cops, burning the bodies.
Cops proceeded to drive around shooting civilians 1-2 blocks away from the square. Multiple police trucks end up burned in the surrounding streets, its unclear whether they were killing people mostly at random or entirely at random.
Student deaths are included in the protestor deaths.
The brief summery is entirely consistent with those images, every image of casualties we can see are in the surrounding streets and not the square, there is no images of tanks and streets covered in gore, and the number of corpses we see are in the dozens, not tens of thousands, which is more consistent with the claims of 1-300 dead.
The point was the story we’re all told about tanks squishing thousands of protesters because those commies just hate freedom is entirely orthogonal to actual events. And no, describing police driving around murdering people either mostly at random or entirely at random is not trying to make you feel sorry for the police. I get the sense that you aren’t talking to me, but this weird idea of what a tankie is that only exists in your head.
There are dead bodies mangled with crushed bicycles
The images aren’t easy to look at, but theres bodies that were shot by the cops while riding their bicycles, but no piles of gore mixed with crushed bicycle.
They were attacked, there’s pictures of their corpses. Other police responded with indiscriminate murder. I am not making any kind of value judgements, acab and all, just describing events as reported by witnesses and corroborated by the images
There are dead bodies under crushed bicycles. Sorry there wasn’t enough blood for you.
Point to the image that shows protesters crushed under bicycles you say exists.
He could much more easily not have. And (1) several thousand people didn’t die, 200–300 did, and (2) there is zero evidence that anyone at all got squished by a tank.
Yeah, “other sources“ are the CIA, the CIA cut-out NED, Radio Free Asia, etc.
Have you not figured out yet that the only reason there was any violence in the first place is that the United States organized, trained, and funded the people who brought the violence? That Dr. Gene “color revolution” Sharp and his team were in Beijing when this all happened? This was yet another attempt at a “color revolution” by the US, in a long line of regime change shenanigans by the world’s premier imperialist, terrorist state. And on top of that, they’ve convinced us to blame China for it all.
Where do you think the Salafi Jihadi terrorists in Xinjiang suddenly appeared from? From the same US regime change playbook as ever. Where do you think the Salafi jihadi terrorists-cum-“moderate rebels” that just took over Syria came from? Or Osama bin Laden?
this is the first time I’ve heard them being blamed for the Tiananmen Square massacre.
Well you’re not going to hear it in corporate journalism, in US- & capitalist-funded NGOs, or in corporate social media. The books on it aren’t going to show up on the NYT bestseller list or at airport bookstores or Barnes & Noble. They’re written by scholars/historians/researchers who know they probably won’t break even for the effort, if they manage to get published at all. Nor will you hear it from “neutral point of view” Wikipedia. I already covered this stuff upthread. You really have to go out of your way, which few have the time or energy for, and anyway almost no one would have a reason to question what they take to be bipartisan “common knowledge” in the first place.
What we are actually hoping for is bloodshed, for the moment when the government has no choice but to brazenly butcher the people.
This is like blaming a rape victim because of their clothing choice. There is always a choice not to brazenly butcher people. A point very relevant to this community topic.
Yes, the CIA would have taken every advantage available to them but, unless the people giving the orders were actually CIA double agents, the blame for the massacre lies solely with the Chinese administration.
Not that minute, but he could easily have been one of the several thousand who died that were squshed and washed down the drains.
It must be so easy being an anti-communist; you can just make up what ever bullshit you like and expect people to believe you. Even when what you’re saying is straight up impossible because human biology doesn’t work that way
Photos were linked elsewhere. I’m making no political statements (if you like, I’ll state that the west has enabled massacres far worse than Tiananmen Square). I’m just ensuring history isn’t whitewashed.
You’re ensuring that the US military-intelligece-propaganda-industrial complex’s false narrative is maintained. You’re doing the global hegemon’s work for free, unaware that you’d been propagandized by them like everyone else. Including almost all of us. Most of us used to be just as hoodwinked as anyone.
The exact opposite. Tiananmen square massacre is not global. It is not US. It is only China trying to whitewash it’s history.
Carry on, brave protector of truth, justice, freedom, and democracy. Don’t forget to post an ”on this day in 1989, nothing happened“ meme next June.
Please check if this is possible. I beg you. You have a shirt of some trousers or something that’s too worn to wear or donate. Go put it outside and drive over it with your car over and over. Does it ever liquefy? You can put cloth on tramlines and they still wouldn’t ‘wash down the drain’.
And the tank man video is him stopping the tanks from leaving, not arriving. He’s telling the soldiers to turn around and ‘finish the job’.
You can see the square in the background of the video, there’s just rows of bicycles.
The whole “all the protesters were herded into the square, machine gunned, then homoginized via tank and washed down a drain” is a fabrication.
What actually happened, you can look up the gorey pictures and everything: Protestor groups 1-2 blocks away from the square lynch multiple cops, burning the bodies. Cops proceeded to drive around shooting civilians 1-2 blocks away from the square. Multiple police trucks end up burned in the surrounding streets, its unclear whether they were killing people mostly at random or entirely at random.
Your version is suspicious lacking student deaths. It is inconsistent with these NSFL photos.
Student deaths are included in the protestor deaths.
The brief summery is entirely consistent with those images, every image of casualties we can see are in the surrounding streets and not the square, there is no images of tanks and streets covered in gore, and the number of corpses we see are in the dozens, not tens of thousands, which is more consistent with the claims of 1-300 dead.
You didn’t talk about protester or student deaths. You only focused on the poor poor soldiers.
Dont be pedantic. The protests focal point was the square. Protesters being murdered in nearly streets don’t need a separately named massacre.
There are dead bodies mangled with crushed bicycles. And the photos are of streets covered in gore.
So the only proof you will only accept is photo of every death? Fuck off you Sealion.
The point was the story we’re all told about tanks squishing thousands of protesters because those commies just hate freedom is entirely orthogonal to actual events. And no, describing police driving around murdering people either mostly at random or entirely at random is not trying to make you feel sorry for the police. I get the sense that you aren’t talking to me, but this weird idea of what a tankie is that only exists in your head.
The images aren’t easy to look at, but theres bodies that were shot by the cops while riding their bicycles, but no piles of gore mixed with crushed bicycle.
Thousands dead, some squished by tanks. Actually happened.
Reread what you wrote. It sounds like the police are being attacked.
There are dead bodies under crushed bicycles. Sorry there wasn’t enough blood for you.
They were attacked, there’s pictures of their corpses. Other police responded with indiscriminate murder. I am not making any kind of value judgements, acab and all, just describing events as reported by witnesses and corroborated by the images
Point to the image that shows protesters crushed under bicycles you say exists.
You may not have meant to, but you only wrote about police deaths.
https://dbkhx50d3v9iq8.archive.ph/7Tdzh/772bcbf7b9cbfadf4641f58ea53475df85e9840c.jpg
https://dbkhx50d3v9iq8.archive.ph/7Tdzh/931560f4f35a8a4801955fc5ec5e6bb635317c75.jpg
You haven’t offered any proof for thousands being dead though.
Chinese Red Cross, the Swiss Ambassador and former student protest leader Feng Congde all say around 2500.
I love unsourced assertions.
Also, what kind of fucking source is the Swiss Ambassador or Feng Congde? How would they have any idea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
He could much more easily not have. And (1) several thousand people didn’t die, 200–300 did, and (2) there is zero evidence that anyone at all got squished by a tank.
300 is only the low end that has been officially admitted to. Other sources average to around 2500.
Fuck you for making me prove it.
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Yeah, “other sources“ are the CIA, the CIA cut-out NED, Radio Free Asia, etc.
Have you not figured out yet that the only reason there was any violence in the first place is that the United States organized, trained, and funded the people who brought the violence? That Dr. Gene “color revolution” Sharp and his team were in Beijing when this all happened? This was yet another attempt at a “color revolution” by the US, in a long line of regime change shenanigans by the world’s premier imperialist, terrorist state. And on top of that, they’ve convinced us to blame China for it all.
Where do you think the Salafi Jihadi terrorists in Xinjiang suddenly appeared from? From the same US regime change playbook as ever. Where do you think the Salafi jihadi terrorists-cum-“moderate rebels” that just took over Syria came from? Or Osama bin Laden?
The CIA has a dark history of dirty tricks, but this is the first time I’ve heard them being blamed for the Tiananmen Square massacre.
But I do recognise your concern. The US ambassador quoted deaths in the 10,000s. Certainly not credible.
Well you’re not going to hear it in corporate journalism, in US- & capitalist-funded NGOs, or in corporate social media. The books on it aren’t going to show up on the NYT bestseller list or at airport bookstores or Barnes & Noble. They’re written by scholars/historians/researchers who know they probably won’t break even for the effort, if they manage to get published at all. Nor will you hear it from “neutral point of view” Wikipedia. I already covered this stuff upthread. You really have to go out of your way, which few have the time or energy for, and anyway almost no one would have a reason to question what they take to be bipartisan “common knowledge” in the first place.
It’s one thing not to trust what the US says, it’s quite another to blame it (without backing evidence) for one of China’s most shameful episodes.
What’s the point of posting a vague strawman[1][2][3] when no one is even reading this thread anymore?
This is like blaming a rape victim because of their clothing choice. There is always a choice not to brazenly butcher people. A point very relevant to this community topic.
Yes, the CIA would have taken every advantage available to them but, unless the people giving the orders were actually CIA double agents, the blame for the massacre lies solely with the Chinese administration.
In which atrocity of usa did that projection actually happen?