Are you someone who has left their country of birth to move and settle somewhere else, or who is thinking of doing so in the future? What led you to take that decision, or what is making you consider it? What have your experiences been until now, and what do you expect and hope for in the future?

  • nemesis@lemmygrad.ml
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    2 years ago

    Yeah about that… I’m also from the US and poor and my partner is disabled. We’ve looked into emigrating to China, and unfortunately the chance of success is basically zero for your average person.

    There are only a few ways to become a permanent resident of China (that I’m aware of):

    1. Be the spouse of a Chinese national
    2. Have permanent employment in China
    3. Be a dependent of a Chinese citizen/perm. resident
    4. Be an investor

    Out of these, #1 is the most feasible for your average person. Of course, there could be a quite few ethical problems in this scenario depending on how it plays out.

    #2 requires the person to be deemed highly-specialized and irreplaceable in their sponsored work visa job in order to be considered for permanent employment. These are usually tech, engineering, etc. Basically specialized jobs that are in demand in the US will likely also be in demand in China.

    #3 doesn’t apply.

    For #4, I think the minimum investment is $500k USD. So that’s a no go for most people.

    And on top of this, you have to provide your medical record and I’m not sure how a disability would affect your ability to become a resident.

    And of course, in all these cases, this only applies to you personally. I’m not sure if there is a feasible way for your grandparents to emigrate to China.

    Also, most of this is pretty similar to most countries I’ve looked into so you’ll continually run into the same problems. I’ve more or less resigned myself to my fate in this fascist shithole.

    • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 years ago

      You don’t necessarily need a permanent resident status. I’m not sure post-covid, but foreigners that emigrated to China usually do that on a work visa that they could get renewed as often as they needed.

      The difficult part would be getting a job as China’s workforce is rapidly becoming more educated, but they’re still looking for English teachers (although you need a diploma now, not like in the 90s where they would hire anybody off the streets lol) – it’s probably easier to get into private schools.

      Permanent residence status usually opens you up to some more administrative leeway which China is careful about giving out, but compared to other countries, a visa in China will carry you a long way.

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        2 years ago

        I think that’s great advice for individuals. I knew someone that taught English in China after graduating and he loved the experience.

        If it were just me I would consider it, but I’m not sure if that would work for my partner as I don’t know if they would be able to provide accommodations for her disability or if it’s too much to deal with for a foreign worker. I’ve looked into teaching English in China before but not this particular aspect of it so I honestly don’t know. Though she has an English degree so she’s def qualified for teaching if they do accommodate.

        In cayde6ml’s case, they said that they wanted to move with their grandparents. There’s an age limit for foreign workers (55?) so I don’t think they would be able to use this method.

        Trying to relocate with a family, especially when not everyone is able-bodied and/or of working age, can be complicated.

        And I know this may be idealism on my part but one reason I’m attracted to permanent residence is that I like the idea of living somewhere I can integrate into and call home. A work visa feels like I’m only visiting until I find somewhere else to drift to.

        • cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml
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          2 years ago

          One of my ideas, even though its very unlikely, is to claim refugee/asylum status in China. Since Latinos and leftists are often persecuted in the U.S., and China might want to improve their PR image in accepting refugees from the barbaric shithole known as Amerikkka.

          I’m at a loss for words. I’d also hope if I somehow got a job in China, I could bring my family as dependents.

          I have a cocktail of mental disorders that prevent me from holding employment though. I’m not physically disabled and I’m not mentally handicapped, and I could still try to work if I could.

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        One of my ideas, even though its very unlikely, is to claim refugee/asylum status in China. Since Latinos and leftists are often persecuted in the U.S., and China might want to improve their PR image in accepting refugees from the barbaric shithole known as Amerikkka.

        I’m at a loss for words. I’d also hope if I somehow got a job in China, I could bring my family as dependents.

        I have a cocktail of mental disorders that prevent me from holding employment though. I’m not physically disabled and I’m not mentally handicapped, and I could still try to work if I could.

    • Munrock ☭@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 years ago

      Have a look at the requirements for getting work in Hong Kong. Ironically so many expat libs are fleeing here so there might even be more opportunities for foreign workers who aren’t scared of red flags ☭

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          Not sure stepping stone is the right word. It’d be a several years-long step. But healthcare is good here, education is decent and affordable, and (sadly) there’s still a lot of anglophilia that will make life easier.

          I would not recommend seeking refugee status in HK (noticed one of your other comments having that idea for CN). If you go that route, go straight to China. HK treats its refugees like shit (although, again, probably not so bad if you’re white).

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            Yeah, I have no doubt it’d take years.

            What could you say about China accepting refugee status?