Actually, right or wrong is the point. I’m making an argument based on facts, and your argument is based on wild assumptions about me, based on my few paragraphs, not your actual thoughts. If you had good counter points then I would change my mind, but you don’t.
The problem isn’t the hand I was dealt with - it’s everyones. I have been lucky enough to have a not too bad, not too good existence but that never stopped me from looking at the less unfortunate to understand how they live. Do you want to talk about child prostitutes, slaves, people who have to scrape food from others trash cans to eat? Living in a coffin size “apartments” in Asian slums? People who have nowhere to eat, sleep, nowhere to call theirs? Who work with their hands in awful conditions for a life for millionaires they’d never mert? Aside from people, what about the countless dead animals, for sports, just fun etc? Had to die because their forests were taken and burned? Thousands of gallons of poison in all oceans, microplastics in our veins? What kind of virtue counter-acts this kind of destruction?
See, there are so many things that we do that require rage. I am not raging about my life, I am raging about the life we created in this world for ourselves and everything else. You may choose to bury your head in the sand and keep saying “oh, there’s a virtue, my life is worth living now” when you see another rainforest burning down, or another child murdered, that means you’re desensitised. You feeling good or bad about these things don’t change a damn thing.
Also, to make it clear, antinatalists are not terrorists or something lol, they oppose pain. They simply choose not to reproduce. This isn’t as extreme as any of you are making it to be.
Thank you. At least one person here knows what anti-natalism actually stands for. People would do good on at least reading the Wikipedia article, instead of already dooming a new community, only because on Reddit child free subreddits promoted a hostile environment. They aren’t even the same thing.
I’ve noticed however that people get incredible sensitive on the topic of “don’t have children”, where all reasoning is thrown out of the window.
It’s one of those topics that clashes with the biology, psychology and social indoctrination of individuals. It’s highly unlikely to possibly discuss this with a lot of people, who lack self reflection and awareness of their surroundings. Because if we’re honest, most people live their life on auto mode anyways.
Of course unregulated subreddit or sublemmy, will unavoidably drift into the extrem. All of them have this tendency, that’s why moderators and rules are important. One might argue that it’s a natural cause of unregulated topics and discussions, as humans themselves are socially diverse and at the same time very controversial beings, whom prefer to form groups/tribes and ultimately end with a self amplifying echo chamber if not constantly reminded and course corrected.
Back to anti-natalism, people at least should understand the decision table of life vs no life, possible suffering vs no suffering. It’s simple logic in my eyes. Not even talking about the current future were heading, which in itself exposes the selfish act of reproduction.
And lastly, it’s sad to see people question your sanity for correcting and explaining a maliciously twisted topic. Seriousness of educated people often gets mistaken as mental issue by the lesser. I’m not even that smart and often want to scream at the screen. Best to practice some stoicism, my friend.
Thank you, my man. It’s weird how many people have negative thoughts about this without knowing anything about it. I’m not even an antinatalist lol, though I’m very close to it, I am childfree - those communities only represented the most extreme, most hostile persons and I’ve never participated. But that doesn’t matter to the humanistic, holistic, full of virtue person. Talk about self awareness and irony.
It’s okay, I’ve been online enough to observe that when s certain kind of person feel that they can’t “win” the argument by discussion, they tend to take it to to the personal level and enrage you by insults. For me there’s no winner, just ideas being discussed so I’m not offended. So boring to have such a fragile mindset that can be broken so easily by mere thoughs it has to be defended. Now what’s depressing is knowing that these people hold the majority. Still, thanks for your concern.
Childfree lifestyle is becoming the norm fast, btw - even in my little family oriented country, childfree services such as hotels have increased rapidly, and childfree people aren’t that frowned upon anymore. People can downvote and insult me here all they want but things are changing because they have to. Soon there will be more, and it will be a normal thing to have a neighbor childfree old couple. Then we will be able to talk about it without getting pitchforked to hell and back.
I suppose that the vitriol surrounding this topic is tied to the innate biological pressures towards procreation. Life is supposed to the ultimate good. People like us who have doubted this assertion are not only fighting against long-held societal norms, but also biological instincts. It also doesn’t help that having a child (or not) is one of the most impactful personal decisions one can ever make. Having a child not only affects your life, your partner, but most especially, the child themself! It’s something that will permanently change one’s life, and those around them for better or for worse.
I’m not even against people who choose to have children (the so-called “breeders” in antinatalist communities). If their lives are enriched by having children and forming a family, more power to them! Even more so if they can provide the child with what they would need to thrive, or at least survive in this world.
Perhaps this trend of growing sentiment towards childfree lifestyles is yet one of those bio-sociological mechanisms driving us to having more quality children instead of just having more children. Children that would be able to live better, more fulfilling lives than I can ever hope for, and can thrive in the shitty world we’ve left for them.
Cool. I’m not making an argument nor countering whatever it is you believe, please don’t mistake my engagement, have zero interest in ‘discussing’ with you. I was merely answering your question about my previous comment. Live as you see fit.
Oh, sorry, did any of your pearls fall? Thanks for your precious “engagement”. I surely won’t mistake it with any meaningful encounter. Just another one with someone who lacks knowledge but has opinions on the matter for some reason, and cannot be bothered to think for a second to make an argument that isn’t empty virtue signaling.
I guess it’s scary for some people to participate in even a conversation about something new with an open mind without being condescending. All while defending “virtue”, ironically.
Actually, right or wrong is the point. I’m making an argument based on facts, and your argument is based on wild assumptions about me, based on my few paragraphs, not your actual thoughts. If you had good counter points then I would change my mind, but you don’t.
The problem isn’t the hand I was dealt with - it’s everyones. I have been lucky enough to have a not too bad, not too good existence but that never stopped me from looking at the less unfortunate to understand how they live. Do you want to talk about child prostitutes, slaves, people who have to scrape food from others trash cans to eat? Living in a coffin size “apartments” in Asian slums? People who have nowhere to eat, sleep, nowhere to call theirs? Who work with their hands in awful conditions for a life for millionaires they’d never mert? Aside from people, what about the countless dead animals, for sports, just fun etc? Had to die because their forests were taken and burned? Thousands of gallons of poison in all oceans, microplastics in our veins? What kind of virtue counter-acts this kind of destruction?
See, there are so many things that we do that require rage. I am not raging about my life, I am raging about the life we created in this world for ourselves and everything else. You may choose to bury your head in the sand and keep saying “oh, there’s a virtue, my life is worth living now” when you see another rainforest burning down, or another child murdered, that means you’re desensitised. You feeling good or bad about these things don’t change a damn thing.
Also, to make it clear, antinatalists are not terrorists or something lol, they oppose pain. They simply choose not to reproduce. This isn’t as extreme as any of you are making it to be.
Thank you. At least one person here knows what anti-natalism actually stands for. People would do good on at least reading the Wikipedia article, instead of already dooming a new community, only because on Reddit child free subreddits promoted a hostile environment. They aren’t even the same thing.
I’ve noticed however that people get incredible sensitive on the topic of “don’t have children”, where all reasoning is thrown out of the window. It’s one of those topics that clashes with the biology, psychology and social indoctrination of individuals. It’s highly unlikely to possibly discuss this with a lot of people, who lack self reflection and awareness of their surroundings. Because if we’re honest, most people live their life on auto mode anyways.
Of course unregulated subreddit or sublemmy, will unavoidably drift into the extrem. All of them have this tendency, that’s why moderators and rules are important. One might argue that it’s a natural cause of unregulated topics and discussions, as humans themselves are socially diverse and at the same time very controversial beings, whom prefer to form groups/tribes and ultimately end with a self amplifying echo chamber if not constantly reminded and course corrected.
Back to anti-natalism, people at least should understand the decision table of life vs no life, possible suffering vs no suffering. It’s simple logic in my eyes. Not even talking about the current future were heading, which in itself exposes the selfish act of reproduction.
And lastly, it’s sad to see people question your sanity for correcting and explaining a maliciously twisted topic. Seriousness of educated people often gets mistaken as mental issue by the lesser. I’m not even that smart and often want to scream at the screen. Best to practice some stoicism, my friend.
Thank you, my man. It’s weird how many people have negative thoughts about this without knowing anything about it. I’m not even an antinatalist lol, though I’m very close to it, I am childfree - those communities only represented the most extreme, most hostile persons and I’ve never participated. But that doesn’t matter to the humanistic, holistic, full of virtue person. Talk about self awareness and irony.
It’s okay, I’ve been online enough to observe that when s certain kind of person feel that they can’t “win” the argument by discussion, they tend to take it to to the personal level and enrage you by insults. For me there’s no winner, just ideas being discussed so I’m not offended. So boring to have such a fragile mindset that can be broken so easily by mere thoughs it has to be defended. Now what’s depressing is knowing that these people hold the majority. Still, thanks for your concern.
Childfree lifestyle is becoming the norm fast, btw - even in my little family oriented country, childfree services such as hotels have increased rapidly, and childfree people aren’t that frowned upon anymore. People can downvote and insult me here all they want but things are changing because they have to. Soon there will be more, and it will be a normal thing to have a neighbor childfree old couple. Then we will be able to talk about it without getting pitchforked to hell and back.
I suppose that the vitriol surrounding this topic is tied to the innate biological pressures towards procreation. Life is supposed to the ultimate good. People like us who have doubted this assertion are not only fighting against long-held societal norms, but also biological instincts. It also doesn’t help that having a child (or not) is one of the most impactful personal decisions one can ever make. Having a child not only affects your life, your partner, but most especially, the child themself! It’s something that will permanently change one’s life, and those around them for better or for worse.
I’m not even against people who choose to have children (the so-called “breeders” in antinatalist communities). If their lives are enriched by having children and forming a family, more power to them! Even more so if they can provide the child with what they would need to thrive, or at least survive in this world.
Perhaps this trend of growing sentiment towards childfree lifestyles is yet one of those bio-sociological mechanisms driving us to having more quality children instead of just having more children. Children that would be able to live better, more fulfilling lives than I can ever hope for, and can thrive in the shitty world we’ve left for them.
Cool. I’m not making an argument nor countering whatever it is you believe, please don’t mistake my engagement, have zero interest in ‘discussing’ with you. I was merely answering your question about my previous comment. Live as you see fit.
Oh, sorry, did any of your pearls fall? Thanks for your precious “engagement”. I surely won’t mistake it with any meaningful encounter. Just another one with someone who lacks knowledge but has opinions on the matter for some reason, and cannot be bothered to think for a second to make an argument that isn’t empty virtue signaling.
I guess it’s scary for some people to participate in even a conversation about something new with an open mind without being condescending. All while defending “virtue”, ironically.
Have a nice day!
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