Soon, nazism, segregation, discrimination and other right wing nonsense will be straight up normalised like it’s no big deal.

  • Aria 🏳️‍⚧️🇧🇩 [she]@lemmygrad.ml
    10·
    2 years ago

    although Alawism is Kufr

    that sounds a lot like takfiring, in the end i think only God has the right to decide who’s a “real™️ muslim” and who isn’t

    also, 3 of the people you mentioned are deceased

    edit: also, i disagree with your notion that islamism is neither left-wing nor reich-wing (though most islamism you see these days can be conflated to reich-wingery). that gives me some serious “third positionist” vibes.

    • Average PFLP Enjoyer@lemmygrad.ml
      25·
      2 years ago

      almost every Islamic scholar whether Sunni or Shia agrees that in a doctrinal sense Alawism is Kufr given the fact they hold Ali RA higher than Muhammad SAW, it’s not like a Sunni//Shia split it’s the fundamentals of our religion (believing that Muhammad is Allah SWT’s final messenger), same reason why Ahmadiyyah aren’t considered Muslim by wider Muslim scholarship

      • Aria 🏳️‍⚧️🇧🇩 [she]@lemmygrad.ml
        6·
        2 years ago

        name those “almost every islamic scholar whether sunni or shia” then, because this is a huge claim you’re making.

        what makes you believe that holding ali (ra) at a higher position automatically negates the belief that muhammad is the final messenger of god? it’s not like muhammad even asked to be deified or venerated, muslims do that on his behalf.

        but why did you use “swt” after allah? isn’t that applied after muhammad?

        • Average PFLP Enjoyer@lemmygrad.ml
          22·
          2 years ago

          first off, “SWT” is the honorific “Subhanahu wa ta’ala”, meaning “The Most Glorified, The Most High” - it is strictly reserved for Allah. You are getting “SWT” mistaken for “SAW”, which his the honorific used for Muhammad - meaning “Sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam”, often anglicised as PBUH or Peace Be Upon Him.

          The Alawite believe in a divine duology whereby God reveals himself in two different aspects, the Ma’na, or physical manifestation of God, and the Ba’b, the veiler of the true essence of God (these are the ones considered to be the Prophet of their time by not only Muslims but other Abrahamics). For example, Alawites consider Jesus AS to be the veiler of God, the “miracle worker” who distracts people from the divine person ABOVE him - which in this case is considered to be Peter. In turn, Muhammad SAW is considered to be the veiler of Ali’ RA, the one who Alawites think was the true manifestation of God, just hidden by Muhammad SAW. Obviously such a belief is blatantly against the core Islamic doctrine of Tawheed, or the oneness of God - he does not reveal himself in multiple parts, nor manifests himself on Earth. This is not even mentioning the Alawite Shahada which states “There is no God but Ali’”.

          Scholar Ibn Taymiyyah (I dont agree which all his teachings however he was correct on this point) summised the point in a Fatwa upon being asked what the Islamic stance on Alawites should be : “For they present themselves in front of ignorant Muslims as supporters and advocates of Ahl ul Bayt, while in reality they do not believe in Allah, or the Messenger, or the Book, or [Allah’s] orders, or prohibitions, or reward, or punishment, or Paradise, or Fire, or in one of the Messengers before Muhammad, sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, or in a religion from among previous religions. Rather, they take the words of Allah and His Messenger, known to the scholars of Muslims, and they interpret them based on their fabrications, claiming that their interpretations are “hidden knowledge (“ilm ul-baatin”), such as what the questioner mentioned and more. They have no limit in their unbelief with regards to Allah’s Names, His verses, and their distortion of the Speech of Allah, the Most High, and His Messenger from their proper places [usages]. Their aim is repudiation of Islamic Beliefs and Laws in every possible way, trying to make it appear that these matters have realities that they know, like those mentioned by the questioner and others, such as that “five prayers” means knowledge of their secrets, “obligatory fast” hiding of their secrets, and “pilgrimage to Bayt al-Atiq” visit to their shaikhs, and that the two hands of Abu Lahab represent Abu Bakr and Umar, and that “the great news and the manifest imam” (an naba’ul adheem wal imaamul mubin) is `Ali ibn Abi Talib.”