On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.
The Archbishop who ordered the investigation was Jorge Bergoglio — now Pope Francis
Dr. Ricardo Castañón Gómez, a former atheist, coordinated the scientific analysis
A tissue sample was sent to New York for blind testing
The primary examiner was Dr. Frederick Zugibe, a secular forensic pathologist and cardiologist at Columbia University
He was not told where the sample came from or what it had been
The Witness
Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.
He found intact, active white blood cells — cells that typically disintegrate within 15 minutes outside a living body
Professor John Walker (University of Sydney) later confirmed intact white blood cells in the same tissue six years after the event
The blood type was AB, matching the Lanciano relic and the Shroud of Turin
When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”
That’s not a miracle. There’s some black woman whose cell cultures are still alive despite her dying in the '70s. Her family is suing to try to get some of the vast fortunes that have been made with actual medicine, based on the woman’s DNA.
That’s just something that can happen in certain cell lines.
I don’t and don’t have to. I’m sure an actual scientist in that field can, and probably several have already done so. It’s certainly interesting enough to warrant looking into.
The explanation is pretty straightforward: they lied. There is no evidence supporting the claim. They were paid to tell the church what the church wanted to hear.
Every scientific analysis of the shroud has proven it to not be what it has claimed to be. Take your fake bullshit, and shove it. I don’t care what you fakers fake. I certainly am not going to be convinced by someone who doesn’t know history.
That is the verdict of Catholic Bishop Pierre d’Arcis who has written to tell the Pope it was “a clever sleight of hand” by someone “falsely declaring this was the actual shroud in which Jesus was enfolded in the tomb to attract the multitude so that money might cunningly be wrung from them”.
Cardiac Tissue (live) just cant start growing out of nowhere on a piece of bread randomly in water where it is supposed to dissolve logically, that is a miracle
Not an atheist. Fuck off you brainwashed piece of shit. I’m thoroughly done with you. Stop forcing your shit into others lives. Go cry about how persecuted you are to people that you haven’t persecuted. Fuck all the way off.
The reasonable person when confronted with your unending bullshit eventually tires of hitting the brick wall of stubborn, self-serving ignorance you present.
You have more than enough evidence to know your beliefs are false.
We would believe in god if there was reason to, but nothing at all suggests his existence and all of human history suggests that humans make shit up to suit themselves.
On October 12, 2008, during Mass in Sokółka, Poland, a consecrated Host accidentally fell to the ground and was placed in water to dissolve — the standard liturgical procedure. Instead of dissolving, it formed a red, blood-like substance.
The Metropolitan Curia of Białystok commissioned an independent scientific analysis. Two professors of pathomorphology at the Medical University of Białystok were selected:
Professor Maria Sobaniec-Łotowska (Department of Medical Pathomorphology)
Professor Stanisław Sulkowski (Department of General Pathomorphology)
They examined the sample independently.
The Witnesses
Both professors concluded that the sample was human cardiac muscle in the agony of death — myocardial tissue showing segmentation and fragmentation of muscle fibers at the intercalated discs, a pattern consistent with a heart under extreme duress.
But the finding that elevates this case above all other Eucharistic miracles is what they saw under the electron microscope:
The human heart tissue was physically, inextricably interwoven with the fibers of the wheat bread.
It was not a piece of flesh dropped onto a wafer. It was not blood smeared on top. The bread and the flesh shared the same cellular matrix. At the microscopic level, baked wheat fibers and living human cardiac tissue were seamlessly spliced together.
The Documentation
On August 15, 1996, a discarded consecrated Host was placed in water according to standard protocol. Instead of dissolving, it developed reddish tissue and grew.
The Witness
Zugibe analyzed the tissue and identified it as human heart muscle — specifically from the myocardium of the left ventricle near the heart valves.
When Zugibe was finally told the sample came from a communion wafer that had been sitting in water for three years, he stated: “How and why a piece of a human heart is still alive, sitting in distilled water, is totally beyond my comprehension.”
https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and-15-3-05-RON-ack.pdf
That’s not a miracle. There’s some black woman whose cell cultures are still alive despite her dying in the '70s. Her family is suing to try to get some of the vast fortunes that have been made with actual medicine, based on the woman’s DNA.
That’s just something that can happen in certain cell lines.
yeah in a specialised laboratory enviroment not water
how do you explain the Cardiac Tissue?
I don’t and don’t have to. I’m sure an actual scientist in that field can, and probably several have already done so. It’s certainly interesting enough to warrant looking into.
The explanation is pretty straightforward: they lied. There is no evidence supporting the claim. They were paid to tell the church what the church wanted to hear.
and the AB blood type matching with the Shroud of Turin and the Relic of Lanciano?
Every scientific analysis of the shroud has proven it to not be what it has claimed to be. Take your fake bullshit, and shove it. I don’t care what you fakers fake. I certainly am not going to be convinced by someone who doesn’t know history.
source?
If you’re so interested go look. I already did and have no interest in your delusional lies.
you made the claim
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turin-shroud-latest-fake-forgery-scientific-blood-pattern-spatter-study-carbon-dating-debunked-a8450101.html
Cardiac Tissue (live) just cant start growing out of nowhere on a piece of bread randomly in water where it is supposed to dissolve logically, that is a miracle
Fuck off you lying piece of shit. I’ve made it clear that you aren’t welcome. Stop shoving your lies my way.
the atheist when presented with proof that insinuates that they have to change their lifestyle in the slightes
Not an atheist. Fuck off you brainwashed piece of shit. I’m thoroughly done with you. Stop forcing your shit into others lives. Go cry about how persecuted you are to people that you haven’t persecuted. Fuck all the way off.
The reasonable person when confronted with your unending bullshit eventually tires of hitting the brick wall of stubborn, self-serving ignorance you present.
You have more than enough evidence to know your beliefs are false.
We would believe in god if there was reason to, but nothing at all suggests his existence and all of human history suggests that humans make shit up to suit themselves.
I have more than enough evidence that Christ is real.
can you give me a “scientist” that has done so?
a researcher in that field looked into it, and said it was live cardiac tissue
Not how this works. You’re making extraordinary claims, I’m not. Peddle your lies and bullshit elsewhere.
I showed you the signed letter of him claiming it
Gravity was once extraordinary as well
Fuck off.
We can demonstrate gravity.
Please demonstrate god.
https://apcz.umk.pl/TiCz/article/view/TiCz.2018.028
On October 12, 2008, during Mass in Sokółka, Poland, a consecrated Host accidentally fell to the ground and was placed in water to dissolve — the standard liturgical procedure. Instead of dissolving, it formed a red, blood-like substance.
The Metropolitan Curia of Białystok commissioned an independent scientific analysis. Two professors of pathomorphology at the Medical University of Białystok were selected:
They examined the sample independently.
The Witnesses
Both professors concluded that the sample was human cardiac muscle in the agony of death — myocardial tissue showing segmentation and fragmentation of muscle fibers at the intercalated discs, a pattern consistent with a heart under extreme duress.
But the finding that elevates this case above all other Eucharistic miracles is what they saw under the electron microscope:
The human heart tissue was physically, inextricably interwoven with the fibers of the wheat bread.
It was not a piece of flesh dropped onto a wafer. It was not blood smeared on top. The bread and the flesh shared the same cellular matrix. At the microscopic level, baked wheat fibers and living human cardiac tissue were seamlessly spliced together.