The radical part of the dems are the centrist
Yeah where is the Tubular Left and the Gnarly Right.
Those thing aren’t even radical left
Radical Right: Dismantle democratic elections (to stay in power)
Radical Left: Make elections freer and fairer (to have a say in governance)
Centrists: Let’s meet in the middle and dismantle half of elections once every 4 years, eh?
The policies you’re calling “radical left” is actually center-left. Every policy listed above are things the center-left wants, but they lack the votes to do it because the “radical left” is “uncommitted” to these issues.
Actual radical left is devoted to hating Jews in general Israel specifically. To the “radical left” most sacrilegious thing anyone can ever do is question whether Israel committed genocide. Or saying that harassing Jews in your own community is antisemitism. What does any of this have to do with the working class? Nothing. But it’s really the only issue the “radical left” actually cares about because they’re mostly university students fantasizing that they’re the working class.
Because of it’s not allowed to have sane conversations about Israel or call out antisemitism within the ranks, most people don’t want to associate with you. The DSA does have some people that care about issues around healthcare, but within the same group there’s people that want to kill all Jews, and no one in the DSA says peep about it. Instead the goal is to silence all discussion on the problem of antisemitism in the group.
You pretend that there’s some conspiracy to against the radical left (by you know who) but really there’s too many people in the ranks that are deplorable and the rest just look the other way about it.
Both the radical right and radical left are hate groups. They only slightly differ on the targets of their hate and the terminology they use.
You hate jews so much that you associate them to a colonial and genocidal state
As an FYI, this comment has been reported. As Mod, I’m going to let it stay up with this comment as the downvotes speak louder to me than your rhetoric, but I feel like your approach to debate is troublesome.
Personally I’d note,
Actual radical left is devoted to hating Jews in general Israel specifically.
Please try to avoid such sweeping generalizations when debating with people online. “Devoted to hating Jews” is such a wild comment to me. If you actually believe that, I think that you need to talk with more people on the “radical left”, or, you need to understand that the radical left is much bigger than those who inspired that comment.
misrepresent what my opponent believes
categorize them all as bigots
call them all antiseptic for criticizing a government and it’s political ideology
Better luck next time, you Zionist fuckin’ clown.
You can’t discuss what I say so you resort to throwing childish insults.
It’s all you can do because you know what I’m saying is true.
You are being a scum and you scums deserve to be insulted
I don’t think you have a left in the US. You have far right and center right. In Germany it’s like you had only AfD and CDU and that’s it.
I mean it’s still obvious which choice is better but none of them is left.
From the 20th century, we have the ideological war against USSR to thank for that. It started all the way back with Wilson. After WWII, the threat of nuclear annihilation was a powerful tool for nationalism. (I’d learn only recently that a first strike was far more likely to come from US than USSR, and we had some dangerous war hawks in power.)
Before that, after reconstruction came redemption and corporate interests took over both parties.
Before that, roads, schools, bridges, libraries and such were socialism giving the working man benefits to which they didn’t contribute (we just contributed all the labor). Yes, they called it socialism even back in the 19th century.
Do observe that adherence to neoliberalism in the EU (which is essentially corporatism with extra steps) is driving the rise of far right movements even over there. And when the tech-bros and white Christian nationalists over here are done bleeding the US dry like its private equity, they’ll be headed over there with their vast wealth to do the same thing.
We don’t have a large, cohesive, left party. There are people who are certainly left in the USA, but we have no real representation out of a handful of congress people.
American 2 party system is so fucked that anything left of rabid, far right fascism is considered far left
Isn’t Die Linke gaining ground on the polls though?
Why do I have to choose between the radical left and the radical right?
What if I’m a male xenophobic racist who wants women to exist as sex toys to men and have no rights of their own and supports killing random civilians and children in other countries, especially when it grows in to genocide, but also wants a good life for the common male workers of the country, universal healthcare, and a sustainable climate?
I want that universal health care and education, I want more affordable homes and such, but I also want to see goon squads in the street beating brown people with batons as often as possible because it makes me laugh. Why can’t I have both?
Centrist: a right winger that doesn’t want to face the realities of either situation.
A lot of centrists, are frankly, kind of weak minded. A lot are not necessarily more right leaning but they don’t exactly have strong conviction. A friend of mine is right leaning on immigration and economics but at the same time he voted for the social democrats in his country because of over a decade of right wing government and supports Palestine. Some are centrists for the sake of being centrist it seems.
The problem as to why many centrists sound right leaning is because the right captured prominent media platforms, and a huge part of its audience are lonely folks who are susceptible to misinformation, which my friend falls into. Many don’t become firmly on right but that doesn’t matter for the right wing billionaires funding the media platforms. It’s about sowing enough doubt to prevent forming a united front against the billionaire-Epstein class.
Encouraging people to find and listen to independent news media is one of the more effective things you can do for the resistance.
By the way, you should add more independent news media to your news diet.
Also, generally, if something makes you scared or mad, go online and look for other sources discussing the same story. It’ll not only provide nuance, but it’ll reveal what’s fact, and what is opinion or assertion.
your a centrest because your scared of taking a stance on most important questions of the current moment
I’m a centrist because I don’t know anything about the most important questions of the current moment
We are sort of the same
I always considered myself a centrist. Of course, over the last 15 years the one side has become so damn batshit crazy it looks like I’m a party line voter simply based on my voting record.
I’m sure you mean the far left ultra radical anti-American tankie-sexuals, right?
I really don’t trust models that assert that tankies are on the left.
Left wing politics is about distributing political power as widely and evenly as possible. Tankies are authoritarians who like autocracy brutally enforced. That’s the opposite.
center is bullshit. You’re the center for your view
btw, does anyone have something to see threads posts without gettin on threads website?
Is that really Alison rosen now? Or was she joking herself? Stupid screenshot culture and no link…
STOP MAKING ME CHOOSE
says Threads account run by a DC corporate think tank.
We need some police. Just some.
Social workers? Yes. Police as we know them? Nope. Proper education and mental health services will solve 99% of the problems. Most crime is unresolved personal issues and taking care of people will take care of the problems.
people that steal cars are one of the best uses for the current police, and if the police actually faced proper punishment for not kamikazing into mass shooters that would be another great use
But not these ones, better ones.
Just enough to kill the untermenchen and keep people from objecting to my atrocities where I can hear. That’s such a reasonable thing I don’t know why they’re complaining there are too many.
If you stop thinking about sides as whole and start thinking about singular choices, it becomes easy to understand where do centrists come from.
I like tradition. I don’t think it should be untouchable, but I think it should be preserved and continued overall. I dislike globalism, valuing feeling of community with people from my country. I hate the idea of bending backwards just to fully accomodate whims of other people, even if these pertain to their feeling of self.
On the other hand, I hate the idea of functionally sorting people based on their skin, using traditions to shame and attack others, or deeming others as worse just because what they feel themselves be is different than what we perceive.
I hate censorship from both sides, portrayal of the other side as dumb and themselves as better and tendency for “group-thing” for humanity as a whole.
So yeah, i deem myself centrist. But if you ask me to join the side fighting fascists, nazis or communists (in the USSR sense of the word), I’m with ya. In the end I need to choose what fits most of my views, and in USA case, that’s mostly left. In my own country it’s a bit more muddied.
I hate the idea of bending backwards just to fully accomodate whims of other people
Care to give an example when you have ever really needed to bend over backwards?
