cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/57660342
French Art historian Nathalie Trouveroy shared footage with Le Monde from her personal archives of the Tiananmen Square protests, shedding new light on how the Chinese regime violently repressed the student protests in June 1989.
The linked article contains a video (17 min). Here is an invidious link to this video with the comments being in French.
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The analysis of previously unseen images obtained by “Le Monde” and leading testimonies provide a better understanding of how the Chinese regime gradually shifted to the violent repression of the student demonstrations in the spring of 1989.
Spring 1989, Tiananmen Square. At the heart of the student demonstrations, a young expatriate, Nathalie Trouveroy, films the Beijing protesters, their slogans, their enthusiasm and their fear with her Hi8 video camera. These images, which remained in a family setting for a long time, are unpublished archives obtained by Le Monde.
Her husband, Guy Trouveroy, was then a political adviser at the Belgian Embassy in Beijing. For seven weeks, the couple were privileged witnesses to the regime’s hesitation, torn between dialogue, obstruction and repression of the demonstrators. When the movement turns in favour of democratic measures, the communist government sends tanks against the population. On the night of 3-4 June 1989, the massacre took place. The repression would spread throughout China.
Since then, the Chinese authorities have been trying to erase Tiananmen from the collective memory. But, thirty-eight years later, Nathalie Trouveroy’s never-before-seen video and photo archives have come to light. With these family images, the Trouveroy couple intend to preserve the memory of the victims of the bloody repression of the Tiananmen movement.
For french people passing by, did you know we also had a Tiananmen-like massacre in 1967 in France resulting in more than 100 protesters being killed and their bodies being stolen and disposed by authorities ?
Horrible, but at least it’s reported by the press without an authoritarian regime repressing it and persecuting journalists.
Evil governments are inevitable. The power of democracy and free speech/free press is that it allows us to easily know about it, fight them, and eventually confine or remove them. As long as we protect these things, we have a chance. Once they’re lost, the fight against evil becomes much harder.
The French still protest. They protest really quickly and we should all learn from them.
And the gouvernement is learning from your and is repressing harder and harder
For the non-francophones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Guadeloupe_riots
Also, while legally the island of Guadeloupe is part of France, it is one of the overseas departments and regions (i.e. a colony), in the Caribbean, not part of mainland France. Just to be clear to people who are not familiar with France’s governance who might be misled by “in France”.
Oh god, tankies are going to swarm like ants on this post doing mental gymnastics about how Tianamen didn’t happen, or it wasn’t as bad as it is portrayed to be, or whataboutism!
As an anarcho-communist, I do my best to not engage with full-on tankies.
Onty clicked into this for the somersaults.
Lol if you look at the video you know there is nothing exceptional in it.
They’re working overtime
The footage:
YouTube doesn’t work. Can you upload it to PeerTube?
Her footage has literally zero cases of any sort of violence being carried out against protestors.
Yeah, there was so little violence and nothing happened so hard that the Chinese government has spent decades suppressing all information from its citizens.
.ml just shows how fucking deranged you all are.
It’s like the onion: I only see the domain after some incredu-larity has ensued.
Strawman. I’m talking about the video in question. Don’t try to to distract.
13:55 shows soldiers next to bodies, covering some with tarps. A bit earlier we see bloodied protestors being carried away to receive medical attention by other protestors.
13:55 shows soldiers next to bodies, covering some with tarps
Can you share the screenshot? All I see is video footage of a laptop screen with an extremely grainy truck. The lady’s verbal testimony is all we have for confirmation. And, this still does not show any violence being carried out against protestors. Just some vague images.
A bit earlier we see bloodied protestors being carried away
That is not her footage.
So just the 3000 or so murders we already know about, then.
Nobody in this thread nor op watched the video, why would they, they already know everything they need to about the incident.
HAAHHAHAHAHAHHAA
Didn’t expect that
Yeah nothing so exceptional in the documentary, in France they killed as much during yellow jackets protests. The reportage even told that the number is exaggerated…
I start to think the tieneman square was a protest going awry which was blown out of proportion. The police shot people with explosive and mortar in France when they decided to remove them from a water reservoir area (Sainte soline). The videos are far far far worse than these. Hundred of people hurts, many killed too.
It seem to confirm the version that there was death by tank but not in th square but on a bridge.
What? The yellow jackets protests went on for 2 years and the death toll was 11. The tiananmen square massacre went on for two days and the death toll was over 200 by the Chinese government’s own admission, with the true figure likely in the thousands.
What about Sainte soline ? Did you watch video ? The protestor where receiving mortar and cops were caught targeting protestor heads for fun.
First of all, fuck the crs, and fuck Emmanuel Macrotte. I was tear gassed during the gilet jaune protests. Yes the French state has disgusting underhanded ways of dealing with protesters. Agents provocateurs, unchecked police violence, people maimed and blinded etc.
But, this wasn’t a massacre followed by a cover up. Thousands did not die, only for the state to erase their lives from history. France did not kill as many, you are incorrect.At Sainte Soline, cops shot to kill, screaming “FLAT SHOT!” about their grenade launchers, and about how they longed to destroy protestors. ACAB everywhere at all time
The bike brigade during yellow jackets was hunting and hit protestor and more if they were not white… People only seen BFM TV and though they seen all. People came back with broken member afraid to go to hospital since police was looking for people hurt on the day they attacked people. Crazy shit for two years.
Bots talking to each other
Lol, okey doomer.
I’m not the one trying to suggest that the CCP and the French govt are anywhere remotely similar - plus, do you even understand what doomer means?
Edit: the answer is no
11, they didn’t count cardiac arrest and respiratory arrest. They only counted media intensive cases. Some one counted the people hurted (I think it is in blast) and they got multiple hundreds. And that was with less lethal weapons.
I don’t think hundreds were killed. I would need to see a source on that. The best count is 11 died, with another dozen max dying from medical issues during the protests. Again, this is over the course of two years, where the 1989 massacre happened during less than a week and 250-3000 people were killed
Lmao. No mention of the protestors lynching and burning cops and soldiers beforehand?
That would be weird since China claims it simply didn’t happen. Kinda hard to claim self defense and “that didn’t happen” at the same time.
Nonsense. Changing your beliefs is a natural part of tankie ideology. You can’t be cornered in an argument if you say something completely different every comment.
Well I mean literally there was no massacre in tiennimen square. There were clashes in the surrounding area.
Were the goalposts inside the square, or well actually I meant the goalposts near the square?
There’s a material difference between the story most lemmitors insist on, that all the peaceful protesters just wanted freedom, and communists hate freedom so they machine-gunned 20,000+ protesters in the square then ran them over with tanks until there was nothing left and “protesters lynched a bunch of soldiers, took their weapons, and battled cops in the streets. Hundreds of people died in the fighting, over a thousand wounded”.
Their propaganda makes it easier to swallow the “China bad” narrative they’ve been fed their entire lives.
Look it up and get back to me 👌
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
American propaganda would make goebbels blush.
You would know that, wouldn’t you…
Uhh, yeah. It’s pretty easy to spot, as a non-American.
You’re telling me you trust the government that has lied about every military engagement it’s been in since WWII, who’s been run by an elite billionaire pedophile child sex trafficking ring?
What makes you assume I get my info from the american government? The facts about tiennimen square are pretty widely known outside of tankie-land, I don’t need the CIA whispering in my ear to tell you the PLA slaughtered civilian protesters.
You really seem to support the police though. Weird.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA
haha?
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Wow, that is some hateful racism right there from someone trying to occupy the moral high ground.
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Proudly what? Proudly racist? Or proudly attempting to be morally superior while being racist.
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What kind of take is this? Fuck cops and fuck soldiers
Tankies like nonconfrontational have no interest in honesty.
Lol.
incredible. i hope you’re paid well
Not a big fan of history, I see.
Your made up version of history or reality?
Tell me what you think happened in tiananmen square in 1989.
The Chinese government murdered people who disagreed with them.
Ah-ha, gotcha! Most of the violence did not occur inside the square itself, but outside it, on the streets nearby!
iamverysmart.bmp
I don’t know if you think you’re supporting china, but you’re hurting the Chinese people.
This isn’t a “china bad” thing. I want Chinese people to be able to speak their mind without worry of being murdered, silenced, or jailed.
I like china in general. Let’s try to be better people and not oppress them or come up with alternate realities to not to hurt the feelings of billionaires in charge.
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Is that like a racist insult or something?
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I don’t know wtf a wumao is, so maybe? You tell me?
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Does seem kind of racist. Someone who defends China is automatically a paid Chinese agent?
I live within the imperial core and can read and see how much better China is than the bloodthirsty American empire.
Gotta lick the boot eh red fash.
Explain what you think red fascism is.
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Wanna try again? Or was it more pointless hahas?
Based if true
Since when do you support the cops?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Ha?
I wish that were true cause they definitely deserved it.
Hellooo
Any updates?
Update for what? What would looking further into it accomplish? The way I see it, there are only two possible outcomes here if I look up your claims:
- I feel vindicated because I’m proven right.
- I feel happy because I’m proven wrong. Like I said, if these claims are true, then the police and soldiers deserved their fate for supporting an authoritarian regime. ACAB
Look it up and let me know what you find.
What would looking it up accomplish? There are only two scenarios in this situation:
- I feel vindicated because I’m proven right.
- I feel happy because I’m proven wrong. Like I said, if it’s true, the police and soldiers deserved their fate for supporting an authoritarian regime. ACAB
