You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality. I suggest joining an organization and putting in some work, because that’s how literally anything in reality get changed.
I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao
I will say I do get annoyed at mls ranting about anarchists in a vacuum for the exact reason, and that’s honestly why I gravitated to hexbear. There’s plenty we agree on, and a lot that everyone should learn from history. Trying to make some sort of us vs them thing is wrecker behavior.
You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality. I suggest joining an organization and putting in some work, because that’s how literally anything in reality get changed.
I suggest you look at my body of work before suggesting to me to do more work.
I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao
Y’all have a very western/USA-centric pespective of anarchists and it shows.
Y’all have a very western/USA-centric pespective of anarchists and it shows.
Can you elaborate? Most anarchists (not all) I’ve run into have been in the US, but I was saying they would get called tankies by your standards. Most of the older ones in particular.
Man why do you all have to do the interrogation shtick? It’s really jarring to have online randos looking into one’s private life yanno?
Can you elaborate? Most anarchists (not all) I’ve run into have been in the US
I am Greek. Anarchists have a way less favorable impression of MLs, partly because our ml orgs were never destroyed like the American ones, so we get to see ml praxis daily.
I’m Greek too, as are a number of the anarchists I know- the KKE isn’t in power and none of the anarchists I talked to ever took time out of their day to shittalk it either.
Εγώ έχω διαφορετικές εμπειρίες. Δεν είναι οτι το οι αναρχικοί μιλάνε για το ΚΚΕ όλη την ώρα, αλλά σίγουρα δεν συνεργάζονται μαζί τους και μπορεις πολύ συχνα να δεις πως τους αντιμετωπίζουν.
I prefer to keep it so other people can read, I don’t care to flex. And yeah, I would agree, they don’t cooperate, but its certainly not directly antagonistic either.
The worst I heard was anarchists at most regard them as ineffective nerds, in particular for fucking around with parliament instead of more direct action and supporting encampments/squats. For me that’s a long way from the ‘red fash’ depictions you get about ‘authority’. One of the more cutting complaints I heard was that a group would spend more time on if its banners read as ‘ML’ or ‘ΜΛ’ to be properly decolonial instead of just going out in the street.
That’s what I meant with fucking around with parliament- I don’t disagree that they’re too committed to the existing state. I have a lot of issues with the organization but it’s a product of more than just being ML - there’s a lot of historical reasons at play too and I can appreciate why they reluctant to challenge the state directly.
This is the same reason organizations I work in don’t cooperate with electorally-oriented groups either.
Dogmatism is a problem in every tendency. Same reason I push back on anarchists (or MLs) trying to start fights over political disagreements from like a hundred years ago. The problem is the capitalists with the boot on all our necks.
You said multiple times that there’s not point talking to me and continued to insult me to third parties. What possible reason would I have to continue interacting with you?
And? It’s clear y’all have no respect to anyone not groveling for your approval or walking lockstep with your praxis so you’ll just continue to argue in bad faith. Even when I took the time discuss in good faith with someone who hasn’t been a condescending pick yet, all I got in the end is being called a “wrecker” because y’all can’t fucking accept anarchists not accepting your shit praxis.
You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality
Says the tankie to the anarchist, both living in delusion of practical reality.
Your cruel maskless authoritarianism will make an example to the world of what not to do. Over and over again people like you are revealed to want one thing. Control without check. It’s why you’re scared of capitalism. You actually have to be worth a damn to compete in a market, but when you embrace authoritarian ideals all you need are friends and guns.
The last two decades of American stagnation in terms of wages and take home pay are largely thanks to the repressive policies of overseas authoritarian “socialists” who justify their repression with the same ideals you do. They suppress their people’s income to make their manufacturing competitive and undermine American labor in the process.
And American tolerance for their bullshit thanks to our naive idea that we are invincible and these countries will “come around”.
I’d love to come back in a decade to see how this all pans out for you, but you’ll probably be parroting the exact same narrative despite continued evidence that a mixed market economy with strong unions is the best structure for society we have today.
You seem to have a lot of faith in manifesting your imagination into reality. I suggest joining an organization and putting in some work, because that’s how literally anything in reality get changed.
I organize with anarchists and most of them would get called tankies by you online anarchists lmao
This is what I say all the time around here. I really don’t get all this hatred agains commies.
I will say I do get annoyed at mls ranting about anarchists in a vacuum for the exact reason, and that’s honestly why I gravitated to hexbear. There’s plenty we agree on, and a lot that everyone should learn from history. Trying to make some sort of us vs them thing is wrecker behavior.
I agree. I myself am much more inclined to anarchism than communism. I don’t see anything productive coming out of these provocations.
Also calling everyone a tankie is pretty offensive.
It’s extra grating because a lot of the people calling you a tankie these days are cheering for the Merkavas in Gaza right now
right? but that isn’t news. fascists always hated us.
I suggest you look at my body of work before suggesting to me to do more work.
Y’all have a very western/USA-centric pespective of anarchists and it shows.
Are you in any organizations?
Can you elaborate? Most anarchists (not all) I’ve run into have been in the US, but I was saying they would get called tankies by your standards. Most of the older ones in particular.
Man why do you all have to do the interrogation shtick? It’s really jarring to have online randos looking into one’s private life yanno?
I am Greek. Anarchists have a way less favorable impression of MLs, partly because our ml orgs were never destroyed like the American ones, so we get to see ml praxis daily.
I’m Greek too, as are a number of the anarchists I know- the KKE isn’t in power and none of the anarchists I talked to ever took time out of their day to shittalk it either.
Εγώ έχω διαφορετικές εμπειρίες. Δεν είναι οτι το οι αναρχικοί μιλάνε για το ΚΚΕ όλη την ώρα, αλλά σίγουρα δεν συνεργάζονται μαζί τους και μπορεις πολύ συχνα να δεις πως τους αντιμετωπίζουν.
I prefer to keep it so other people can read, I don’t care to flex. And yeah, I would agree, they don’t cooperate, but its certainly not directly antagonistic either.
The worst I heard was anarchists at most regard them as ineffective nerds, in particular for fucking around with parliament instead of more direct action and supporting encampments/squats. For me that’s a long way from the ‘red fash’ depictions you get about ‘authority’. One of the more cutting complaints I heard was that a group would spend more time on if its banners read as ‘ML’ or ‘ΜΛ’ to be properly decolonial instead of just going out in the street.
I don’t know who you’re talking to, or in what context, but I can assure you there’s plenty of antagonism: Here’s a classic: https://athens.indymedia.org/post/1349901/
That’s what I meant with fucking around with parliament- I don’t disagree that they’re too committed to the existing state. I have a lot of issues with the organization but it’s a product of more than just being ML - there’s a lot of historical reasons at play too and I can appreciate why they reluctant to challenge the state directly.
This is the same reason organizations I work in don’t cooperate with electorally-oriented groups either.
Dogmatism is a problem in every tendency. Same reason I push back on anarchists (or MLs) trying to start fights over political disagreements from like a hundred years ago. The problem is the capitalists with the boot on all our necks.
The reason I mention it is because a lot of political understanding comes from working with other people towards shared goals.
This reminds me, are you going to get back to the reply chain where we actually talked briefly?
You said multiple times that there’s not point talking to me and continued to insult me to third parties. What possible reason would I have to continue interacting with you?
It was only after that point that you gave me a real response
And? It’s clear y’all have no respect to anyone not groveling for your approval or walking lockstep with your praxis so you’ll just continue to argue in bad faith. Even when I took the time discuss in good faith with someone who hasn’t been a condescending pick yet, all I got in the end is being called a “wrecker” because y’all can’t fucking accept anarchists not accepting your shit praxis.
You weren’t groveling to me before and I was happy to discuss with you. You’re imagining characteristics that I simply don’t have
Anarchist who frequently is called a tankie online, but have yet to be called so in person checking in.
Says the tankie to the anarchist, both living in delusion of practical reality.
Your cruel maskless authoritarianism will make an example to the world of what not to do. Over and over again people like you are revealed to want one thing. Control without check. It’s why you’re scared of capitalism. You actually have to be worth a damn to compete in a market, but when you embrace authoritarian ideals all you need are friends and guns.
The last two decades of American stagnation in terms of wages and take home pay are largely thanks to the repressive policies of overseas authoritarian “socialists” who justify their repression with the same ideals you do. They suppress their people’s income to make their manufacturing competitive and undermine American labor in the process.
And American tolerance for their bullshit thanks to our naive idea that we are invincible and these countries will “come around”.
I’d love to come back in a decade to see how this all pans out for you, but you’ll probably be parroting the exact same narrative despite continued evidence that a mixed market economy with strong unions is the best structure for society we have today.