• Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Ummmm… All you need is some bots on each instance that automatically will interact once with communities known on lemmyverse.net and boom, you have unlocked full federation for every user on those instances. You are not losing any privacy through that, it just skips the steps where user has to manually index a sublemmy before it federates and makes platform more usable.

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      Sure, but now this system has a dependency on the “centralized” lemmyverse.net service. And also your instance now has to receive and store a copy of almost the entire network’s content. Lots of instances are already struggling to sustain the load, this would make the problem even worse.

      If a single instance decides that it can sustain the increased load and doesn’t mind depending on lemmyverse.net sure, nothing’s stopping them. But it shouldn’t be the default behavior for all instances.

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        1 year ago

        If load is that big of a problem then pretty much all instances are in a big trouble because all you need is ONE person that decides to run some bots and it’s done anyway.

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        1 year ago

        Yet bittorrent dht is 20 years old. How can this supposedly decentralized service be unable to self organize. Is Lemmy some kitchen napkin high school fair project ?

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          Social media and torrents are pretty damn different. There’s a reason no federated platform has implemented automatic discovery, even ones with much more resources than Lemmy, like Mastodon.

          I don’t know why you folks keep pointing at missing features and saying “Lemmy doesn’t have this pretty advanced network feature, so it’s not really decentralized”, or “it cannot organize”, or “it’s useless”… It’s basically two people’s passion project that only blew up in the past month because reddit fucked up. You’re not paying for it, are you? So I really don’t see how this attitude is warranted.

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            The tech is right there, it’s 20 years old. I’m pointing at it in response to people saying “this is too hard, we can’t have 700 instances sharing a few kilobytes of text !, You’re asking too much”

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              Look, if you understand what a DHT is I also expect you to understand the amount of effort it would take to implement such a feature. The fact that the tech exists does not mean you can just plug it in and go. It took the devs weeks to move from websockets to HTTP, a feature like this would take months and take time away from a lot of other important work.

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      How is that not part of base code. Lemmy is completely unusable until this is fixed. The clock is ticking on Reddit’s implosion. If this isn’t fixed, the Reddit userbase will go back to Reddit for another 20 years. Please don’t let Lemmy as useless as Mastodon, this is clearly design sabotage by silicon Valley big tech.

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        Calm down bro. Your negative energy is harshing the vibe here. Let’s try that again

        I see, thanks for the info. The devs should prioritize adding a feature like that into the base code. It would really help reddit migrants get set up here.

        See? I liked a couple of your comments in the other thread about downvotes being public information, but you’re sounding pretty defeatist and frankly, miserable in the past few hours. If you don’t want the reddit userbase to go back, the best thing you can do is be a user that other users enjoy interacting with.

        Unless you wanna step in and start coding this thing 🤣