• onlinepersona@programming.devOP
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    11 months ago

    It’s not about experimentation, but awareness. Experiencing life as a woman IRL is not easy - you can’t get a sex change on a whim or quickly hop into a female body. In an online game however, changing your voice is the probably the most convincing way to do so and it’s quite easy.
    If even a small percentage of men experiencing the other side of the coin became active in improving the gaming space, it would be something.

    Waiting and hoping for better moderation tools and clear community standards is non-active course of “action”. It’s like saying "I’m not going to vote because the system is shit 🙅 " and expecting it to get better.

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      11 months ago

      I appreciate what your saying, and you’re right that it is a passive course of action (unless one were to campaign/lobby for developers to implement moderation). But my point was that imo, everyone that cares about the problem is already aware of it, and more awareness doesn’t solve the problem either.

      This has been a problem for decades, and pre-dates microphones and games. Any platform that allows users to send messages will be used to send abuse. The tried and true solution has always been moderation. Riot Games seemed to be making headway with their chat moderation tools, but i havent kept up with how that went.

      At a certain point, awareness becomes preaching to the choir. The assholes who are causing the problem won’t change their behavior unless they are forced to.

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        10 months ago

        But my point was that imo, everyone that cares about the problem is already aware of it, and more awareness doesn’t solve the problem either.

        I’m not sure that’s true. Yes people who care are aware, but I’d argue there are many who don’t now and aren’t aware. I for example didn’t know the impact was measurable in performance. My gullet has been open a few times while gaming online and the regret kicked in not long after, but using my mic has been so rare, I wouldn’t have been able to tie the shitty responses to decreased performance.
        It wouldn’t surprise me if the “gamer girls suck because they’re women” crowd joining the challenge figured out that they were part of the performance problem. That is if they had the ability to self-reflect, which probably the minority has.

        At a certain point, awareness becomes preaching to the choir. The assholes who are causing the problem won’t change their behavior unless they are forced to.

        Oh, in that regard, yes, I agree. At the very base level, assholes will be assholes and those people can only be forced or kicked out

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          10 months ago

          Yeah, i could be wrong about the level of awareness, i am a datapoint of one.

          The performance part is interesting, but almost irrelevant imo. If the results had been that abusing your teammates improves their performance, it would still be wrong to do it.

          I worry the people causing this problem are more likely to take the “abuse == tilt” information and use it to justify their behaviour :(.

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            10 months ago

            I worry the people causing this problem are more likely to take the “abuse == tilt” information and use it to justify their behaviour :(.

            A valid concern 😅