A little thread to talk about whatever you’ve been into lately (besides getting lost figuring out Lemmy, that is).

  • shufflerofrocks@lemmy.world
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    If you do end up picking up Lookism again, lemme know - I’ll decide if I should check it out again based on your experience.

    Ehhh, if we describe isekai as “going to another world” and then depending on the definiton of “world”, going back in time would count as isekai too I think 😂

    Dude I know what you mean, these types of mangas and manhwas have gotten stale these days - with the same isekai-specific tropes and storylines, they’re more fan service than anything like you said >_<

    gamer manhwas is pretty easy to ignore, their bookcover screams gamer theme haha

    Haha I know what you mean. To be fair though, Isekai is similarly easy to ignore because of their goofy titles, like it always is a clickbait sentence “How I ended up in another world with the overpowered ability to punch like a legendary gorilla”

    No No I understood your point. It’s just that I’ve read so many isekais first before gamer mangas, it feels to me that gamer ones are the thing that seem like Isekai (because they have such similar tropes) - Logically what you’re saying makes sense, as things like EXP and stats don’t make sense in a normal isekai, but because I read Isekais first, and since both genres have escapism and wish-fulfillment and re-use of their existing knowledge to survive. But yeah, the mechanics and logics get dumbed down so much 😂

    I like to read isekies where the person was passionated about something and use that passion in the other world

    OOOH SAME! Have you read “Ascendance of a Bookworm”??? It is one of my favourite isekais of all time, and the way the protagonist goes around changing things is so heartwarming and funny.

    I agree with a lot of the themes you said. Specifically, I enjoy the isekai and game-theme works where a flawed protagonist uses this chance to turn over a new leaf, through the new experiences they gain. It always feels nice to see someone be better when they are given a chance to improve :)

    Honestly I’ve read a lot more Manga than Manhwa, but I definitely feel Manga backgrounds and props are more unique and varied - I think they have the luxury to do that since they draw it in black and white, and since a lot of manga are still hand-drawn, there isn’t a simple copy-paste of assets that you can do while drawing digitally.

    Hahaha I get what you mean -had the same experience for my last msg and this one. I had this tab open where I was typing out the reply throughout the day in between breaks while I worked. Sometimes I forgot what I was typing and then put it off till later so I could come back and write it properly

    make my ruhbars liquor

    Oooh what’s that? What’s it taste like? Also, and why is the “midsommar” in quotes?

    My day was hectic af. Hope you had a great day too

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      Haha it feels a bit like you push me out to check if it is safe or not 😂 I will tell you what i think about it when i have read a few chapters. Maybe it will be a nice fresh break from the rest. Recently the weather is so hot I feel too slugish to read anything xD

      Hmm yea maybe time travel could be seen as a different world. It will kinda be like a parallel world where you know the outcome of major events and if you change them then it will be a different reality which could be translated to a different world maybe? It feels so philosophical to define what our world is haha. But I am unsure if i think time traveling is. Maybe if you travel back so far that it feels like a different world because everything you know is “wrong” but that would still just be a feeling. It actually feels weird when a manga tries to create some kind of link to the world we know and the other world, like mc can travel between the two not just a one way street. It is like breaking the fourth wall.

      yeeeaaa it sucks! It makes it feel so boring reading and just like you said long names often is isekai + boring plot with an illogical OP MC. I am ok with an OP MC if there is a twist about it for example “The Eminence In Shadow” it is so stupid and funny. There are a lot of things happening behind MC’s back. He by accident changes the course of the events all the time or even destroy plans for his friends and when they tell him he just play along and thinks they are playing house together with his lunatic friends and don’t even believe any of this is happening for real, and they think he got bigger vision and see things they can’t and their scary dedication to him grows larger.

      It is very edgy and he knows it and actually mocks it too with love, so it makes it even more fun. but I kinda got bored of it now after 50 chapters. But I am unsure if it is because it is being updated so slowly (once a month) so i forget most of it or because there isn’t any real progress with MC the rest grows a lot tho, from one person to 100 of dedicated followers with their own side stories and problems.

      But back to the easy to ignore. Is it really? I mean we can ignore the very obvious ones but i often click a manga and 90% of the time even with a short name and a discrete book cover is it an isekai like the one i just wrote about. It is either “a slice of life” of someone’s school life or an isekai! But maybe my manga sources just favor those a lot more. That is why i read a lot more manhwa. They have their problems too with isekai but i find a lot more gems (plus they update faster) so that is that haha. Why is school life so interesting? I have tried many and get bored fast 😂 a few made me stick around but they were often about events outside school and not so much on the school ground.

      I liked Ascendance of bookworms too! But it stopped getting updates somewhere back in the beginning of 22 :( Maybe i should reread it. Actually maybe that is what i should do with everything i remember as good. As long as i don’t remember major plots it should be fine? right? hahah 😂 for example this great manga Jobless Reincarnation - It will be All Out if I Go to Another World that i started reading 2019. The name is very bad but the manga is very good. The MC actually goes through a lot of personality development together with his friends and family. Both ups and downs, like depression because he lost a very dear friend in the middle of the manga (i don’t want to spoil so this is super vague). A lot of very heavy feelings that are greatly shown through many parts of his life. So i recommend it. The only bad thing is that there are only 91 chapters and it is updated only once a month D:

      And this one: The Death Mage Who Doesn’t Want a Fourth Time i actually read the novel first. The manga came out much later. I do enjoy the novel more but the manga is good too (but the drawings are pretty… poor?). It has a great world development. The guy who is translating the novel is doing gods work https://lightnovelbastion.com/novel/death-mage/ he is really good at writing so it is very enjoying to read it (not like other fan translated novels). I have been reading that since 2019 😂

      The nice thing about novels is that you can read it on the bus without feeling ashamed 😂

      Most mangas is actually drawn digitally nowadays but by hand on tablets like wacom cintiq. Japanese are very traditional beings even with digital tools so i am not surprised if that is why they don’t use 3d props (or maybe they do but are so good at hiding it?). I also like it more because it becomes a lot more harmonious with the characters. It is kinda off putting to see a kinda correctly drawn person with one kind of style with a lot of perfectly shaped things around them in a completely different style. It is better if it is equally bad/good or in the same style at least like the thickness of the lines.

      I don’t know how it tastes because this is my first time making it. It is vodka + rhubarbs + raspberries + white syrup. It is supposed to be in the fridge and shaken now and then for the minimum of 2 weeks, but i don’t have time for that. If it tastes ok will i make it again and wait two weeks haha. Supposedly will it be better the longer you wait. I am pretty excited to see how i and the others will feel about it. You should try it out. Last year I made a drink by making “ice cream” out of watermelon green skin (why waste something that can taste great?) and adding it in a glass with prosecco (the only time i would drink that by choice) it was so great my dad wanted to drink it multiple times and he usually ask for a beer instead 😂

      I put midsummer in quotations because it is a tradition here (and a name) but i don’t know if you know about it. I am Swedish and we got our parties going that i am unsure of how many outside of the Nordic countries know about 😂

      today must have been the hottest day of the year i am sweating and i can’t go outside or i will melt away! It is 21:00 here and still super hot! So that removes some focus but i did very well even tho the heat tried to kill me. I am now laying on the sofa with a fan directed at me 😂

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        Oh I am definitely asking you to test it out for me 😂 - that manhwa scared me when I was a kid and I don’t wanna try reading it now if it has become meh at the end of it.

        I think time travel can count as isekai if you travel so far into past/future that no one alive knows you - then you can have a fresh start and also have some extra knowledge like an isekai - though I don’t know if knowing the past counts as a superpower when you travel to the future 😂

        Ugh travelling between two worlds feels like cheating - it becomes more of a Gate or VR Game genre than an isekai.

        Ooh I didn’t Eminence had all those plots - I initially thought it was a generic one and skipped it. Maybe I should check it out, though I have to say, I haaate it when MC gets followers, it feels weird and also feels like fanservice

        Hmmm, you make a fair point- before I had to search for Isekai genre on different sites, but now every manga has isekai themes in it. I also don’t know what this obsession with high school is - I liked it before because I could relate, but now it’s too silly. I guess they’re doing it because their main target audience is high school kids.

        Duude you should pick AoB back up - and read the novel if you can! I like the Manga because it shows the printing press part which was hard for me to visualise, and the art is cute, but novel has SO MUCH MORE CONTENT. Are you subscribed to JNovel? The manga is getting weekly updates there, and 2 volumes are getting translated simultaeneously.

        JOBLESS REINCARNATION IS MY FAV NOVEL OF ALL TIME - I love the MC despite all his flaws, and the world is SO RICH. I must have re-read it like 5 times till now - it has made me cry loads. Also something I recommend the novel over the manga - the manga is still good, but it literally changes some storylines for the worse imo. Plus, the novel is finished and translated.

        I’ll check out Death mage - the premise seems funny enough, and god knows I’m in need for some good writing after coursing through MTL for so long.

        Hahaha Manga is a niche-but-not-so-niche enough interest in my place that people will like you when you read it.

        I’m glad they moved to digital - making Manga is tiresome as it is but having to do it with ink and paper sounds terrible. I’m not sure about the statistic though - I remember someone posting on reddit last year that most published Mangakas are still drawing traditionally, and only the younger ones are drawing digitally. I think their traditionality is the reason they don’t re-use assets. A complicated asset that you can’t copy-paste is just a burden.

        Ooooh that drink sounds delicious - I can imagine the Vodka, Raspberry, and Syrup, but I haven’t eaten a Rhubarb ever so I dunno how to place it, hmmm. We have a drink here with fermented palm sap + syrup + rum, I feel like they would kinda taste the same. Woah - how’d you make ice cream out of skin?

        I know the term “Midsommar” because there was a horror movie with that name recently - it scared me loads but I imagine the actual festival is pretty nice 😂

        Ahhh heat must suck. In my place it’s currently very cold because there’s a cyclone brewing near the coast and it’s sending loads of rain and cold winds this way - I’m all sweatered up and resting. I’m trying to detox and read a normal novel for once, bc I’m reading too much manga/manhwa and it has lowered my attention span sooo mcuh

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          Haha i will do it.

          The super power to say “i was there!” but other than that i dont think so, I mean most thing you do remember would pretty much be less than the info you can look up on the internet xD

          In general I would also say followers are the same or close to fan service, it depends a lot on the relationship. If there is no romance but they follow MC because MC has that kind of power then i am all for it for example like AOB I mean lutz is kinda of a follower of myne and Benne is pretty much a fan of hers too but he is a tshunder and she also got her priests xD

          I actually liked harems a lot before(over 15 years ago) harem is kinda like what isekai is today, almost always in a fantasy world, very game like, save the world from the demon king, MC is loved by all after some chapters. Always the same troupes (some got very boring because just like isekai was the same…all…the…time). Most MCs was often irritating but some were actually very cool and reliable, i liked reading those. But i never cared for the romance parts. Love hina was one of my first mangas, I was maybe 8 when i read it in the library, now later in life does it feel a bit weird that a kid could read that, but i was so innocent 😂 I wouldn’t look for harem now. I am pretty sure it is still the typical shonen stuff that we both have said we dislike 😂

          I actually started reading AoB again. I just found out something… I never read the first volume! I remember thinking it felt like i was thrown into the manga in the middle but it said chapter 1 so i kinda just let it slide because the manga source i read it from never had multiple volumes spread out like bato.to can do sometimes. I read now the first volume and could tell i missed out a lot of character building. Myne was a lot more annoying in the beginning 😂 I finished that volume yesterday and in the comment section did someone link to the second volume saying it has been picked up again and that was the one i read thinking it was all. I bet there is a “third” volume that i will find out also exist (and that is why my source said it stopped being translated years ago), so i have been lied to!!! hahahah Better for me :D

          I will follow your advise and look up the novel. I actually read the novel parts that they leave in the manga and it really makes the manga better, helps understanding ppls action more. The manga has Myne in the center so you can only assume some are assholes without knowing why they act like they do. It also helps you see what kind of effect she has, like creating opportunities for craftsmen (that she will never know she did).

          I will also read jobless as a novel!! I never thought to look up if it exists as one! The world building and characters are so great in that one!! And the motives for the characters are very well written! I also like that everything is so human (?), for example the characters forget sometimes that what they feel isn’t always true for others and that everyone do not know what they know or feel if they don’t say anything. I think the author is very good at telling us the readers what the characters thinks and putting all the other characters in the dark.

          Usually is everything so dumbed down and for some reason everyone understand everyone so well and MC have no setbacks. His biggest problems are usually physical like traveling a long distance or their being monsters in the way but that wont be a problem for long. The MC will find a strong person who so happens to have a problem that MC can help with and then the strong person starts to like MC a bit too much for such a short time and then help MC for example teleport MC… Everything doesn’t have to be solved! and it doesn’t have to be solved right away! that is how i feel about most mangas… they are always so narrow minded and just run through everything to get to their goal.

          yea MTL really kills the joy of reading. There was a time i didn’t mind, there were also a time i started to think about just translating it my self and then i found Death mage and now i can’t read anything worse in quality 😂This is also one of the reason why i like reading manga, the translation is often very good or good enough compared to manhua… if the translation wasn’t so bad then maybe i would had to tried to read it a bit more, even tho the whole world/character building seems to be a joke.

          I haven’t seen many who read, but it could just be that just like I, they keep the manga reading at home haha When i have talked with ppl about it have most only seen a few animes like pokemon, sailor moon, dragon ball and so on. I don’t remember anyone saying they read or have read manga. Except for two ppl (when i was a kid). Studio Gihbli movies have pretty much everyone seen, but I don’t see that as anime, it is very different from your typical anime.

          Oh really? The mangakas i have seen in their work environment used a tablet, but it is true they were all pretty young (30 or less) so that could be why, i just assumed they had switch to a digital medium because of that haha

          I have now drunk it and so did my family and extended family, they all said they liked it :D My parents and I tried it first just in case and all of us got pleasantly surprised haha

          I dont know how to describe the taste of rhubarb, it doesn’t taste like anything else i have eaten. It is sweet but also very sour so you need to add a bit of sugar hence the white syrup. It is also great for cleaning the pot from burned food 😂 I think it is because it has a lot of acid in it.

          I make rhubarb cream every summer. I grew up with rhubarb cream and rhubarb pie.

          I finally found the receipt for the watermelon ice cream (sorbet) drink https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGMV2vLDJOw

          Try it out it was great :D I made it a bit simpler and didn’t mix it all together with the prosecco and had more prosecco then he had (i have had drinks before with sorbet and prosecco and they did not mix it that is why i didnt do it), so it was more like a sorbet with prosecco it created a very nice balance between the bitter prosecco and sweet sorbet. You can also use the red parts to make water melon sorbet too but I ate it as is. A cold watermelon is great in summer because it has so much water in it and cools you down a lot!

          I looked up the midsummer movie on imdb, it looks like they made our festival/party into a cult, so i can see why it is a horror movie 😂

          Our company give us some book options to pick from every year to read (if we want to). I haven’t picked one up yet. But i am looking forward to it :D It is very nice to read a book while swinging in the wind in a hammock. It is pretty hard to do that with the sun glaring at the phone.

          Dude I have never and i hope i will never live through a cyclone, seems pretty scary, nature can really wreak havoc. You don’t need to get to a shelter?

          • shufflerofrocks@lemmy.world
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            Thanks friendo. Your sacrifice is much appreciated

            I suppose it depends on the nature of followers; plain friends and employee is fine, but simple fanatics are cringe - I actually don’t mind fanatics who are well-developed. Unfortuantely simple fanatics are what seem to be the most common

            Honestly I don’t mind Harems themselves- some of them were a functionaly poly relationship (like Jobless Reincarnation). I just HATED how they are implemented because of the indecisiveness and pointlessness of the characters, lack of development and crappiness that favored extension of drama over resolution.

            All the best with the novels for AoB and Jobless - there are legal channels and also the option to sail the high seas, whichever is easier for you.

            Lol I get what you mean. Not to mention how every character is either a master plotter or an idiot who wears their hearts on their sleeves, becuase every interaction between these fellows must be an easy-to-digest nicelty wrapped up plot point.

            Jobless’ world is really one of my favs - it’s a basic setting, but everything fits well together and the lore makes sense. and yes the characters! All of them are three-dimensional, and work together while not knowing every single feeling that the others are feeling.

            A good translator is such a blessing - I only read some chinese webnovels till completion (all 1500-1800 chapters of them), because the translators were so passionate about it and it showed in their work. I started reading Death Mage btw, I’m not 100% into the story yet, but the translations are pretty nice.

            I have mixed feelings about MTL. On one hand they are grating to read through, on another hand they’re so rough you can fill in the gaps however you want. I kinda feel like the guy in this meme

            Huh your description of Rhubarb reminds me of Gooseberries for some reason - though I imagine Gooseberries are much sourer - but the way you use them is kinda similar. We use honey or syrup to sweeten gooseberries for drinks and making candies, but have never them for pies.

            Thanks for the recipe, It does look delicious. Summer’s almost done on our side of the globe, so this’ll probably be a recipe for a bit later - or when one of those irregular humid days come by. God you’re so right about watermelons though - biting into one when you’re dehydrated is exhilarating. Watermelon + Pineapple combo is uber.

            Hahaha taking a jolly festival and converting it into a cultist horror seems like a trope at this point

            I have this one memory in my mind - sitting on a bench by a lake, a mini glass bottle of a mango drink, a packet of potato chips in one hand and a book in the other, enjoying the breeze as a listen to the waters of the lake splash gently while I savour the snacks and indulge in the book. That remains one of my most peaceful reminiscence to date, and I have not been able to recreate it for so looong ugh. Hammock + book is a close second though.

            Have you tried Kindle or E-Ink tablet for reading? Beats the sun ezpz

            Oh no need to worry, the cost is far far away from my place. The people who would be affected have long been evacuated and are in shelters. Cyclone is receding now and people are returning back to their homes. The most we feel here in my town is the cold weather and unusual rains. It even hailed here the other day - which was cool, I’ve only seen hail once or twice in my life.