• MattsAlt [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    This is pretty into the weeds, the vast majority of people could stand to at least attempt vegetarian diets rather than meat for every meal which is where the original commenter’s point on “industrial torture industry” comes from

    If everyone who is able to do so were doing so, the fraction of a fraction of the population who was unable to for whatever reason would not result in the torture factories present today

    You’re a regular poster and I know this is good faith, but it’s using niche situations to cover for regular, widespread atrocities

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      This is pretty into the weeds, the vast majority of people could stand to at least attempt vegetarian diets rather than meat for every meal which is where the original commenter’s point on “industrial torture industry” comes from

      You’re a regular poster and I know this is good faith, but it’s using niche situations to cover for regular, widespread atrocities

      Roughly 30% of western society has ailments that could prevent them from going full vegan. This argument is similar to other arguments, “only a handful of people die of covid”, “only 1% of society is trans, there is no need to accomodate or discuss”.

      I do of course agree that most people should reduce or annihilate their intake of meat, not for moralistic reasons but for efficiency and environmental reasons. I also think that synthetic meat and heavily processed GMO plants like soy are getting better and are necessary for ideological veganism, and anyone that thinks it is unnecessary is fooling themselves.

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        Roughly 30% of western society has ailments that could prevent them from going full vegan.

        do you know where i could read more about this? tried googling the figure but couldn’t find anything

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        I’m not nitpicking, but I did say at least attempt a vegetarian diet which would address the crux of the original comment regarding widespread animal torture which never explicitly even mentions veganism

        It’s not as though there is going to be some sweeping legislation to outlaw meat and kill meat eaters which is akin to examples you’re making here wrt COVID or trans people. If 70% of the population made a conscious effort to stop eating meat that would be a tremendous benefit for their health, the welfare of animals, and the climate. And as a bonus, they’d save money doing it

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          It’s not as though there is going to be some sweeping legislation to outlaw meat and kill meat eaters which is akin to examples you’re making here wrt COVID or trans people. I

          There are plenty here that think it should be fully outlawed, just because you aren’t one doesn’t mean it isn’t a common sentiment

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            I’ll be honest, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a post like that made in sincerity and it’s not what I’m advocating for

            I don’t deny a subset of the population may have legitimate dietary constraints, but their existence doesn’t excuse the vast majority who do not. I have seen those who do not use the existence of those people as a shield for their own spinelessness in refusing to cut meat from their diet for purely selfish reasons

            And this is coming from an autistic person who cannot stand the texture of beans even today and would sit at the table for hours as a kid refusing to eat vegetables I did not like. If it’s important enough, adjusting your diet is an accomplishable task. It’s clear that some posters here do not feel the unnecessary suffering of animals is important enough for them to make a relatively simple lifestyle change and it’s disturbing

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              This type of “what about if I had a disease that would kill me if I didn’t eat meat” concern trolling is intended to distract from the underlying issue of mass slaughter. The actual justification that this kind of industrial-scale suffering is acceptable because the food tastes good annd non-human animals don’t matter isn’t as clean an image as disability-rights advocate.

              I don’t recommend further engagement.

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                what about if I had a disease that would kill me if I didn’t eat meat

                This exists. I never said I had that issue, but I do know people who do. Continue to live with your head in the clouds if you want.

                If you want me to educate you on the science relating to this, I can. If you’re not willing to educate yourself on disabilities and how to help people with them, maybe you should.

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                  Sure, educate me, but don’t pretend that every Reddit-tier anti-vegan is arguing from a sincere concern for these people. I know that there are certain conditions that make going vegan very difficult. However this is a systemic failure to provide alternative sources of protein and nutrients. Killing billions of sentient beings every year is bad. And if you want to argue otherwise, I don’t see why it would then be unethical to kill and eat a dog. And from the animal’s point of view, your reasons for killing them don’t matter.

                  Every time someone cites a medical condition, I’ve been able to explain that it doesn’t absolutely require eating meat. It’s harder, but it’s preferable to murder, which is the underlying issue you seem unwilling to confront.

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                Yeah think I’m going to tap out of my second experience in this specific topic struggle sesh. It’s so tiring seeing people who know better advocating pointless cruelty when they’ll criticize libs and chuds for the exact same thought patterns