This is literally just the r/nyt subreddit about The New York Times.

Given he apparently takes inspiration from Elon Musk, it’s only a matter of time until u/spez starts adding post view limits unless you pay extra.

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    This is why the weekend DDoS attacks and frontpage vandalism don’t really concern me. With spez and Musk burning their services to the ground, we’re (along with other competitors, we’re not the only one) going to get a steady influx pressure for the coming months or even years. Shutting us partly down for a few hours every weekend does nothing in the face of this much stronger phenomenon. Whoever is doing it is basically pissing into the wind.

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    If you install the duckduckgo browser and turn on app tracking protection, you’ll see just how much data is harvested from mobile apps, which is genuinely scary.

    This is why these sites are pushing the mobile app. It’s much harder to prevent trackers through an app than it is through a web browser.

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    Someone should answer the phone because we all fucking called it.

    What’s next in the Reddit bingo?

    The removal of old reddit?

    Limiting the number of posts we can see per day as a normal user?

    Buy upvotes?

    The slippery slope logical fallacy doesn’t count when there is actual factual evidence.

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        I’m 100% out once that happens. Well technically I pretty much am currently. I may look at r/all for a couple minutes then head over here for a good portion of time.

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      Honestly, I’m surprised Old Reddit has lasted this long at all, even before all this.

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      Buy upvotes?

      The sad part is, I can absolutely see this happening. Not as an outright “gib money get updoot” but something more roudabout but effectively the same thing.

      “Be heard louder with Reddit Premium! Your comments on posts will be displayed closer to the top for others to see!”

      To reiterate, the above is just something I mocked up. May not be upvotes, but still rigging threads by paying Reddit money. I just wouldn’t be surprised at this point.

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        A new tier: reddit ultimate

        With reddit ultimate you get all the benefits of reddit premium plus you get the ability to link your online and offline personas as well as a weekly free loot box.

        Loot boxes (8USD each or 10 for 50USD) may contain one of the following perks:

        • a week of free Reddit ultimate.
        • “3 nuclear downvotes”, like a normal downvote but counts as 50.
        • “karma MSG”, for 12 hours all karma you get or lose is counted twice.
        • “look into the shadows”, get a complete list of all your shadow bans.
        • “STFU”, mute all chats for a week.
        • “sacrificial lamb”, remove any or all non-ultimate users from your followers.
        • “heeeere’s Johnny!”, banned from a sub? Guess again, and this time you can’t get banned by non-ultimate mods for a week.
        • 5 gold awards, appears in 17 out of 24 loot boxes

        A as a new democracy oriented initiative, for 50USD you get to dethrone one mod for a month.

        The loot boxes would actually be able to get me back, not to buy them of course, but to see the havoc it would bring to r/Conservative.

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        It’s sort of what World of Warcraft did with gold.

        The gold farms were making TONS of money selling illegal gold in much the same way upvote farms are making a killing.

        Upvotes are free for them to give, and they would have a money printer on their hands.

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      The slippery slope is only a fallacy when you’re making leaps. To go from enacting exorbitant API fees to removal of old Reddit is a logical step so doesn’t make for a fallacy. Intent also plays a part for the same reason. If you can prove that enacting exorbitant API fees was for the purpose of restricting user access then limiting number of posts for users not logged in is a logical step. Slippery slope gets a bad rap but it can be a valid point and not a fallacy when done properly.

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        People get “slippery slope” wrong. Not every sequence of events is a slope.

        The idea of slippery slope is that one small action is said to kick off an unstoppable chain reaction. It doesn’t just mean that A leads to B. It means that A inevitably leads to B, even if it didn’t intend to, and B happening can’t be stopped once A happens. And maybe even the people that wanted A don’t want B but can’t stop it, because we’ve slipped and we’re sliding uncontrollably down the slope. That’s the whole concept, that we’re stuck sliding.

        Reddit doing one restrictive action, and then later choosing to do another restrictive action, probably doesn’t apply. There’s seemingly no slope, just an easily foreseeable sequence of events.

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          When the slope is engineered and intentionally constructed per design it likely isn’t slippery. This Reddit slide is decline, which is a type of slope in some context, but it isn’t slippery.

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      What’s next in the Reddit bingo?

      See what stupid shit Musk pulled with Twitter a month ago, and that’ll be what Reddit does in a few days.

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        What’s the difference between new.reddit and sh.reddit? They look nearly identical, but with different margins and padding.

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          I don’t really know because I haven’t spent much time with it. I do remember either in one of the mod summits or somewhere that Spez admitted that new reddit was bad and that they were already working on the next version of reddit, which is what sh.reddit is supposed to be. New reddit is an abomination and I’ve only ever used it for settings old reddit does not have.

          But to be honest with you, I haven’t really spent any time on sh.reddit because you used to not be able to log in to it.

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      Everything you listed is on the table for them. I hope they do it so it dies quickly.

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    He’s just trying to protect people from inappropriate content. We all know how harmful inappropriate content can be for children unless it’s paired with targeted advertisements, which mitigate the danger.

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    No wonder King Steven was so incensed when the Landed Gentry cut off access to the site from commoners; it’s a privilege he reserves as a Royal Prerogative…

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    I’m now only on lemmy and YouTube. Never got into tictok or Facebook, left and deleted reddit and Twitter. I’m in a happy place.

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            I’m gunning hard for Lenny, but let’s be honest with ourselves, ok?

            It absolutely isn’t. Not yet. In both quality and quantity, we’re still lagging way behind, especially for niche or non-straight content.

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            Lemmy very unfortunately doesn’t have either the breadth or depth or Reddit porn yet. If it does get there it won’t be for years yet.

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          That’s wild to me. I’ve been on Reddit for 17 years. And porn is not something I thought was such a huge point. Mothers same goes for this place. The platform just doesn’t seem to lend to that type of consumption. But never less, porns a huge part.

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    I called this happening right when Spez said he wanted to emulate elon. The other shoe has dropped

    I assume eventually all subreddits will be locked to non registered users on mobile…and PC

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      I’d guess it does the news website thing. Scroll down and get meet with a create account blocking barrier.

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      Yeah. Users who can stomach it should be sneaking back and pointing more refugees to Lemmy. Honestly it should be bots being like “If you like r/pics stay here BUT if you like r/pics and hate Reddit’s policies? Try c/pics@lemmy.world” and just have the bot script for communities the fediverse has equivalents for. We’re growing still but it’s not like I’m seeing much Lemmy mentions in the discussion threads yet. That ship is sinking though.

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        ”…I’m not seeing much Lemmy mentions….”

        This is working as intended as Reddit is actively suppressing and shadowbanning any comment or post that mentions Lemmy or hyperlinks

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          Ah, trying to stop the Exodus by any means necessary. Lol. Time to find a good thread to get my old account banned on then!

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          F /u/spez is only following Twitter who’ve already banned user profiles & comments from containing links to Mastadon, Post, Instagram & others.

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          I’m not saying that isn’t happening but it must be happening selectively because the small niche subreddit I moderate still has the post up where I announced and linked to the Lemmy community I made. I just went to the subreddit in my browser while logged out to verify that it’s not in the shadows, but I could see it.

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          Yeah, it should be obvious that you won’t have much success using Reddit as a platform to direct users away from Reddit. They’ve made it pretty clear by now that they aren’t free or open. Makes me wonder what other topics they’ve done this more subtlety for, or will do in the future.

          If you want to direct people to Reddit alternatives, you’ll probably have the most luck on platforms that aren’t Reddit.

          Though I do wonder if Twitter and the meta platforms will also block it, since they are competing with the fediverse as well (though meta in a EEE kinda sense, so they’d need to walk a finer line since they are supposed to be embracing right now).

          YouTube might be a place to do it.

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      One of them… who was a mod on r/jailbait.

      This is something that really needs to be brought up regularly.

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        There are plenty of valid criticisms beyond character assassination. It is my understanding that any mod could add any user as a mod of their subreddit.

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      It’s easy to get corrupted by money and success. Has been shown a myriad of times in any stage of human history.

      In the beginning, spez might have been “one of us”, but he gradually shifted away from that while the goodwill of his community towards his persona was upheld.

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        while the goodwill of his community towards his persona was upheld.

        He probably really was one of us. To be honest, most of Reddit had no idea who tf spez was before this. Anytime he did something terrible, it would be big then disappear in a week.

        Then, since he was so removed from a redditor’s in the day to day, all would be well and he’d be forgotten. The local mods and reddit admins were who everyone would direct their hate to.

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      Well, they don’t always start out as “corporations”. He may have been one of them, till the glamour of profits came into the picture.

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        he never was. It was always a business. Do you remember they started the site with faking users? They were always a for-profit company. It’s kinda cringe to think he ever was one.

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    They’re doing great work on their destroy any positive community sentiment Speedrun, it’s been shocking decision after terrible change

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      Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how it compares to Twitter’s attempt, Elon Musk seems to have a lot of natural talent at bad decisions.

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        A techbro saw Elon’s dumpster-fire handling of twitter and went “Yes, this makes sense!” Oh Spez, this is why we don’t idolize idiots.

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      Isn’t the stated reason to prevent AI scraping? As much as I dislike them both, given how these LLMs like ChatGPT work it actually seems reasonable.

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        eh I feel that excuse is bullshit - a scrape is the same as a web view. ai doesn’t need to scan the same content more than once. reeks of b/s to me

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          The content continues to change. When I have a specific programming question they don’t help me figure things out based on the documentation alone. Seeing discussion about such topics definitely helps it as knowledge continues to evolve.

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    Looks like more efforts to sanitize the place in prep for an ipo.

    The execs are almost certainly ready to cash out and retire from that annoying gig 🤣

    But just wait until a wallst level CEO gets hold of the reigns.

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      I can’t even imagine it being about the IPO anymore.

      There might have been some concerns about profitability numbers for an IPO, but I don’t think that’s something you can right in a hurry. If the investors didn’t like “N quarters of losing money”, will they be that much more impressed by “we slashed and burnt big chunks of the platform, but we don’t really have any clue if this will stick?”

      More importantly, they had a strong narrative they could sell investors: They were the “anti-social media social media”. Users remained largely in control of their curation, the content was less ephemeral and more indexable. They were perfectly positioned to differentiate themselves as other big players went whole hog on the “the algorithm is mostly standing between you and what you want to see” models.

      Does that narrative hold up when their user base is either fleeing or feels held hostage?

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        It’s 100% about the IPO. Other large websites have gotten into trouble with the credit card companies by offering porn. It’s why Pornhub removed unverified amateur content, OnlyFans considered not allowing porn, and probably others. Your platform absolutely plummets in value if people have a hard time spending money there. Hiding unverified subs sounds exactly like this kind of move.