It’s becoming increasingly common around weekends in France — which gets about two-thirds of its electricity from its atomic fleet
So they occasionally have to take a nuclear plant offline on a sunny and windy day, because we still don’t have the storage for solar to be an effective baseline.
Well if that’s actually the functioning case, they are investing their effort in the wrong place. They don’t need energy production, they need storage.
As far as your comment amount solar, we do have solutions that exist. Energy companies just need to actually get off their asses and work them into the grids.
Sodium ion batteries are just about ready for mass production, they take up twice the amount of space as lithium but are just as effective and far cheaper
What is your source on that? I heard some news about china making some breakthroughs on sodium ion batteries but I am waiting for independent confirmation on that because, well china has let us down more often than not with “bleeding edge” tech.
I was thinking molten salt would be a better energy sink for the here and now.
Hydrogen gets shit on loads, but this is exactly the kind of thing it can do pretty well. When you have excess, you don’t need to have to worry about efficiency in the same way. Then it’s ready to go once needed.
Who would “they” be in that case? The people who’d like cheap energy do indeed need storage. The nuclear lobbies on the other hand need to cripple their competition, so they only need their own, already present facilities and whatever means they can get to sabotage upcoming competition and secure their primary position.
“The French”? The homogenous singular entity that all have one singular set of goals and no differences whatsoever? Or the Frrench people who’d like cheap energy or maybe the French electricity lobbyists? It’s not that simple.
The people who live in France who are having this issue with power, as explained in the article and in the comments.
Seems you’re bored and just attempting to inflame people into discussing how my comment was in no way reductive or trying to represent people in a way they didn’t wish to be. Go touch grass.
Nuclear Power Industry: “We need to invest $10B in nuclear plants!”
Everyone else: “Why not just spend $1B on battery storage instead?”
Nuclear Power Industry: “Nah, that’s not feasible.”
We need more hydroelectric water storage. Pump water uphill all day. Doesn’t need any fancy materials, just a bunch of space on a hill connected to the grid.
So they occasionally have to take a nuclear plant offline on a sunny and windy day, because we still don’t have the storage for solar to be an effective baseline.
Well if that’s actually the functioning case, they are investing their effort in the wrong place. They don’t need energy production, they need storage.
As far as your comment amount solar, we do have solutions that exist. Energy companies just need to actually get off their asses and work them into the grids.
Yeah storage is sadly difficult and time consuming. I mean if we aren’t just using a crap ton of lith-ION.
Sodium ion batteries are just about ready for mass production, they take up twice the amount of space as lithium but are just as effective and far cheaper
What is your source on that? I heard some news about china making some breakthroughs on sodium ion batteries but I am waiting for independent confirmation on that because, well china has let us down more often than not with “bleeding edge” tech.
I was thinking molten salt would be a better energy sink for the here and now.
Hydrogen gets shit on loads, but this is exactly the kind of thing it can do pretty well. When you have excess, you don’t need to have to worry about efficiency in the same way. Then it’s ready to go once needed.
What do you mean by hydrogen?
Hydrogen production through electrolysis? Or something else?
Who would “they” be in that case? The people who’d like cheap energy do indeed need storage. The nuclear lobbies on the other hand need to cripple their competition, so they only need their own, already present facilities and whatever means they can get to sabotage upcoming competition and secure their primary position.
The French? Read the article or the comments I was responding to. 🫰
“The French”? The homogenous singular entity that all have one singular set of goals and no differences whatsoever? Or the Frrench people who’d like cheap energy or maybe the French electricity lobbyists? It’s not that simple.
The people who live in France who are having this issue with power, as explained in the article and in the comments.
Seems you’re bored and just attempting to inflame people into discussing how my comment was in no way reductive or trying to represent people in a way they didn’t wish to be. Go touch grass.
Oh no. Now I’ve angered the humans.
Apparently, just yourself. Nobody is angry.
Earth’s mammals seemed to be pretty upset that I suggested the existence of multiple groups with multiple priorities within the French.
Nuclear Power Industry: “We need to invest $10B in nuclear plants!”
Everyone else: “Why not just spend $1B on battery storage instead?”
Nuclear Power Industry: “Nah, that’s not feasible.”
While a certain amount of pumped hydro energy storage is feasible, we will never have enough storage to
The problem is turning it back on. Xenon poisoning is an issue the prevents reactors switching off and back on again.
We need more hydroelectric water storage. Pump water uphill all day. Doesn’t need any fancy materials, just a bunch of space on a hill connected to the grid.