• EhList@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Unless you are one of those people that only learned political philosophy from the internet or are so Euro-centric/racist that you think the binary European democracies use for European democracies applies to all political ideologies, and it absolutely does not, then you would have to clarify what you mean by “conservative”. For example if you think both major parties in the USA are “conservative” then the above likely applies to you.

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        1 year ago

        Just because the two options you have to choose from are shit doesn’t mean they are still both shit - it is hilarious watching you Americans cry socialism about policies that in most of the civilised world would be considered right or centre-right.

        Google the definition of conservative and tell me how that changes based on what country we are talking about.

        " favouring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas."

        I’d love you to try and convince me that neoliberalism doesn’t fit under the above.

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          1 year ago

          You really need to take a second to ask yourself why you are using “the civilized world” to mean Western Europe because the history of that specific perspective is problematic and is the root of a ton of racism.

          Conservative means different things in different societies. A conservative Iranian, Chinese mainlander, American and Austrian are going to have very different perspectives. If you have any education in political philosophy this would not need to be explained.

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            1 year ago

            Actually, you are the one who assumed civilised was a dog whistle - how very problematic of you.

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              1 year ago

              You literally use the term “civilized countries” as the positive part of a negative comparison. I assumed nothing it is exactly what you wrote.

              Don’t feel bad about this though as it is common if you only learned about political philosophy from reddit/internet forums rather than a formal educational setting. A typical into to poli sci 101 class talks about binaries and a responsible instructor demonstrates their limits. You clearly did not learn that.

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                You absolutely did assume that, the implication of what I said is that I do not find the USA to be civilised. The racist crap is all you buddy.

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                  The point of comparison was to the “civilized nations” that whose views WOULD make the USA’s parties right leaning. For that to make any sense “civilized nations” has to be Europe as they are the pretty much the only nations that are inarguably to the left of the USA. Your language makes you intention clear.

                  If course there was the much more likely option that you have no formal education in political philosophy. I suspect that is the actual case as it is much more likely that you are mistaken in your understandings of the binaries , as most are, than being racist.