• redisdead@lemmy.world
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    You can make jokes about everything but if people keep calling you a bigot for making jokes about these it’s because your jokes suck or aren’t actually jokes.

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      Do you realise that you are reasoning exactly like the religious men that are depicted in the meme? ( talking about (god) it isn’t an actual joke )

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        When I said you can joke about everything, I meant every fucking thing including religions.

        But if your joke repertoire is ‘lol women belong in the kitchen’s amirite?! Trans attack helicopter LOL!’, that makes you a bigoted asshole, yes.

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          Btw downwotes and dogma are your problem, not my problem. Dogmas stop knowledge and damage the people subject to them. No wonder that american technology have a lesser advantage against other countries.

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              In the soviet union the government, in the bresnev era, sent the dissidents in psychiatric facilities. Are you at the same level of dogmatic conformism of the late soviet communism? It is so disturbing to ear different ideas?

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                  Clearly what? Clearly having different opinion is a mental disease? Interesting point.

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                    No, the issue isn’t that you have a different opinion, it’s that you ramble about irrelevant things in a crazy word salad

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          It is your religion and your morale, the downvotes tell me, even if i have made no jokes at all, that the faith in this new religion it is not only strong, but you denied that it is a faith too. An universal set of values without the minimal possibility of discussion, even ipotetical, what it is?

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              You ( and other people ) downvote me cause i’m having a different prospective about modern ideologies ( otherwise known as modern religions ). You even doesn’t recognise the religious part of your thought. That’s is interesting from a philosofical point of view.

              Btw: the equivalence between religion and modern ideologies it is not my idea, you can find the same concept in a lot of ( more or less ) modern philosofical works.

              Edit: in reality if you do not admit that your belief it is not a religion, you cannot have not believers, so your dogma became de facto universal.

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                Firstly, I didn’t downvote you, second I’m literally telling you you can joke about everything, but if your jokes are bigoted people will call you a fucking bigot. That’s how things work. Why are you rambling about dogmas and shit?

                If you’re an asshole and people call you an asshole, it’s not a religious dogma. It’s because you’re an asshole.

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                  Bigot, infidel, capitalist, traitor: various nouances of the same phenomenon.

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                    No. Bigot had a specific meaning that is different from the specific meanings of the other words in your list.

                    My dude, idk what to tell you. You can joke about everything, including trans people and w/e.

                    But if your jokes are shit and bigoted, people will call you a shit bigot.

                    If you’re angry at being called a shit bigot, stop making shit, bigoted jokes. It’s not hard, vast majority of people are able to come up with actually funny jokes that don’t punch down

                    There’s tons of funny trans jokes that don’t punch down or stem from a bigoted stereotype.

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                Bruh.

                You ramble nonsensically like someone off of their meds. THAT is why you get downvoted - your comments add nothing of value to the conversation.

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                  Nothing that is conforming to the ortodoxy.

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        gods are not real, I will let you believe without ridicule as long as it does not effect me. The major religions do though and need to be shamed for trying to make governments enforce their religious laws. I don’t believe in tarot readings but I don’t shame the people that do as it has no effect on me. Hell I’ll even let someone do a reading and have fun with it. But when you say life starts at conception and that something goes against one of your gods and I need to stop them I will ridicule that belief.

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          Religion and gods are two different things. In this case we have a religion without gods. Religion is a natural state of humans regarding dogma and morale.

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            I agree religion and gods are different but very much disagree that it is a natural state. It came about from humans lack of understanding in the universe. That’s why as time goes on there are less and less religious people.

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              Everything is a natural state in a materialistic world. And religion is too much common.