Show me the proof that members of the West other than the US sanctioned North Korea between 1991 and 2006.
Ah i see the goal posts have moved. Why don’t you show me proof that there was any trade between the West and North Korea between this time. An embargo doesn’t have to be an announced and official one.
Even Russia sanctioned North Korea starting in 2013 for their behavior.
And?
Really i don’t even understand how this matters in the first place, i wouldn’t have thought the claim that North Korea has been sanctioned would be so controversial. Pretty sure its common knowledge. Isn’t it called the “hermit kingdom” or some such too?
Okay. So people who speak the same language should be in the same country?
That is an oversimplification. Language along with ethnicity is the most obvious divider between peoples, but not the only one. I simply used it as an example due to its obviousnes, the definition of nation i find to be the most based on reality is: “A nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.”
Or is it possible for people who speak the same language to be in different countries?
It is possible and happens, most notably with the Anglos, although there is a debate to be had whether the anglo states should unify under a common state, seeing as they pretty much are the same nation. An Englishman can easily move to Australia, understand everyone, and be indistinguishable from other Australians fairly quick. But were the same Englishman to move to Nigeria for example, he couldn’t communicate with anyone, and would never assimilate into the nation.
So any country that trades with Western countries doesn’t have a right to exist?
I will point out that both China and Russia trade with the United States.
Indeed, but do China and Russia import or export with the West? Mainly export, Russian and Chinese economy is based on domestic production and exporting it along with resources to the West, they don’t get raw resources from the global South through the West (not in any significant way anyway), they don’t enforce the comprador regimes in the global South. The West on the other hand relies on importing resources and production from the global South for half free. Cut the West from the global South and the West starves, do the same with China or Russia and, while not a fun time, they will manage.
It isn’t just about trading with the West, but rather if one takes part in the imperialist exploitation of the global South.
Globally were one human race, but we have a variety of countries determined by who can defend their borders.
This cosmopolitanism is baseless. If all humans are the same people divided by arbitrary borders, why not go strike up a conversation with lets say a Mandarin chinese person? Surely an arbitrary border won’t limit your communication with your fellow human? I’ll use the German example again, did East Germans become a seperate people from West Germans when Germany was split? Korea has been split just little longer than Germany was.
I wonder and under what circumstances in your philosophy would a group of people be allowed just to separate from their parent country?
“Parent country” is a nebulous term, as a country isn’t necessarily a nation, and a nation might not necessarily even have a country.
South Korea takes part in Western imperialism through the Western market. One can think of it as South Korea knowingly buying stolen goods from a shady dealer because its cheaper.
And there is no “South Korean people”, Korea is a nation, currently split due to political reasons. It goes against national self-determination to keep the Korean nation split. Were east-Germans a seperate people from west-Germans? Was it against their “right to exist” when Germany was united?
I say all nations (nation being seperate from state, not all nations have states currently) have the right to self-determination through their own state. But self-determination doesn’t cover the exploitation and oppression of others, im sure you’d agree. The imperialist West is based on the imperialist exploitation of the global South, mainly through economic measures, although sometimes through direct military measures too.
I’m against this imperialism and wish to see Western nations overthrow their imperialist governments in favour of self-sustaining or atleast non-exploitative governments (global trade is possible without exploitation afterall).
I did specify “in its current form” (meaning economically and politically, not statehood itself) for the West in general. Im a staunch defender of self-determination of nations, but self-determination doesn’t include the oppresion and exploitation of other nations.
Korea being a split nation the only rightfull outcome is unifying the North and South, and obviously i prefer unifying them under the socialist North, rather than the imperialist South.
Well thats not how real life works, and wondering about such experiments is a waste of time, its never going to happen. The situation with Korea is only resolved through war as long as the US is involved.
Excuses, if South Korea was so damn certain of their superiority, they’d allow unrestricted immigration into the North, afterall, isn’t this the reverse of what you’re saying?
Ok, we cant do such an experiment though, as neither country allows moving to either one. Tell me, why doesn’t South Korea allow their citizens to even enter North Korea? Surely the freedom and liberty loving South Korea should allow this freedom to their citizens, are they not confident in their absolute superiority?
South Korea’s perfectly able to disinvite the United States it whenever it wants.
Lmao, sure
Let’s not move the goal post. The theory we’re testing is that North Korea is superior to South Korea for the civilians. So we don’t need to change anything to test this theory. Just open the border. And let anybody move with no restrictions. That’ll help us see which is better for the people.
Its not moving any goal posts, remove the hostile precense first. Btw, why do you think South Korea needs to bribe any possible defectors with almost a million dollars? Surely just escaping the horrible North would be enough incentive? Why are there so few North Korean defectors, and even some of them complain how the North was better?
You’re making it seem like the country is split only due to the North. As if it is their decision.
North Korea invaded South Korea as much as revolutionary Americans “invaded” loyalist Americans.
North Korea indeed did have some troubles in the 1990s, which is to be expected when one is cut off from all support, yet they pulled through well and are now self-sufficient. One can’t say the same about South Korea with its worsening living conditions and plummeting birth rates, and this is with Western support.
Typical American to recite whatever this poem is to a non-American. Am i supposed to know or care what it means?