Wouldn’t a full fledged abandonment of electoralism, the kind that would be required to look at AOC as an enemy, just be excellerationism? I guess if your loyalties are always strictly dismantling* US stability then you’d just view it as starving the beast. In this way you’d be pretty well aligned with incompetent fascists, since the US is in a spiraling decline that will now inevitably result in us losing our authority on the world stage. Just for different reasons than they would use I guess.

In that way, how can leftists take MLs seriously, when their world view is largely agreement, but their actions and attacks are directly opposed to democratic socialists a lot of the time. You also have to couple in that while you may attack fascists too, any division amongst the left is multiplied by 100x over divisions in the center or right since billionaires hold the microphone.

It’s not really arbitrary when those you agree most with are also in your crosshairs on actions of substance. It’s also very telling that most situation here on Lemmy that at least I see ML presence it’s on these edge cases, rather than things like Rick Scott almost single handedly showing a failure of electoral politics when he created the nations biggest organized Medicaid fraud ring, something people being polled seem to care about, and then was elected into office anyways as an equal to Bernie Sanders. Is this a blind spot on my part or do you feel calling out the best representatives as more impact for your message that the system sucks? What we see is us working and you complaining.

Edit: word missing.

I see a lot of agreement, not “the opposite” in this post. You talk a lot about nuance but didn’t cite an example when you’d use it to navigate a difficult subject to grasp, or what that might look like. You also lean into the America bad trope without showing you can do any different. If it is opposite then make that point, not the word salad of how hard it is to be a ML and be right all the time, btw on topics the left very broadly agrees about as your examples.

Cuba’s embargo is not supported by the left. If you’d like to expand more on my points, then what good does attacking AOC as AOCIA bring to the cause of Cuba’s starvation?

It seems to me like they take the wrong lesson from leftism, which is that the US is usually the bad guy in most situations and they represent oligarchy interests by default, then extrapolate that to other countries opposed to the US being the good guys by default. Nuance and taking the facts at face value for every situation is much harder to explain to others as an ideology.

They’ve also been infected with a cynicism that makes them open to grifts similar to the right. Our best fighters can’t be perfect, so they try and rip support off of them. Jimmy Dore, the Aussie green party, Jackson Hinkel, the Caleb sex pest dude, they all have criticism of everyone else while providing no real ideas of their own and how to get there. They’re just propped up as a distraction rather than a movement.

I know it already is but should it be?

BDS would seem to suggest otherwise. We care less about actual hatred than criticisms of our ethnostate agendas, but it’s through the perceived hatred that cry-bullies thrive. Hate speech laws only make their bullying more effective. Look at Palestinian action in the UK. The lack of these laws protect us more than they would help our political rivals, who would love to see them pass. Billionaires can give a Nazi salute at CPAC with virtually no consequences and no laws were unanimously passed to provide those consequences, whereas BDS was widely adopted. TLDR, you can’t trust politicians to tell us what hatred is.

I think it’s also pretty clear there’s been a reshuffling of financial resources for the grifters. Whether that’s because the results have shown a collapse of Republican enthusiasm, because Israel is hated by a big chunk of both parties, or because they can’t funnel it through Orban, I’m not sure, but Russian money seems to have slowed down to the right. Maybe because the writing on the wall for tipping our global influence is already well established and it’s just a matter of time. If I were a Russian propaganda coordinator I’d have pivoted to Chinese grifters like Epoch Times by now.

If you wanna ensure a good loaf name it inflation.

If he’s CIA he’s the least effective agent imaginable. He’s single-handedly made running on class politics a winning strategy in new York and swayed the entire state into adopting more of that. CIA works for the oligarchs and status quo, so what good has he done them? Seems dumb

This is true, but also Adams left a huge deficit on his way out with must-pays with the sole intention of hurting Mamdani utilizing that requirement as a cudgel. It’s nothing short of impressive that he was able to stick to his values and reverse the damage at the same time.

When one party plays by the rules and the other party doesn’t, the moral victory only works when that same cheating party’s entire existence isn’t based on vice signaling. Since it is, maybe it’s time to start showing them where their vice gets them in the real world.

Wowzer, booking.com fucking sucks I guess

I kinda treat him like I do Bill Mahr. If he’s agreeing with me it means the establishment is running out of options and if he disagrees with me it means I’m definitely right. He’s always been a bit of a canary in the coalmine where he starts doubting the party right before a tone change.

Political consultants fail upwards sadly.

Carville: And the reason that most people become a Democrat, at least the reason I did, I think it’s true, we don’t dislike anybody. We’re not against anybody. I mean, when I’m, you know, at my age, it was all White and Black growing up in the Jim Crow South. But I love Israel. I don’t get it –. And I don t have anything against them. I like Palestinian people. That’s some of the nicest people I know.

People bombing some of the nicest people you know, passing apartheid lynching legislation, stealing their land, and raping them on video seemingly systemically. Something tells me his love for Israel is stronger than his love for “some of the nicest people he knows.”

Ironic that one of the biggest dumbass loud mouths is tossing that rhetoric around, but then again projection is the crybully zionist playbook.

“If these people actually cared about medicaid fraud they’d kill Rick Scott” – Every Hasan Piker’s hitpiece, completely missing the point that it’s true.

I think there’s a difference in finding major corruption charges and publicly releasing them vs billionaires just dying of “mysterious” illnesses, etc. China reserves that sort of death for violators of the one China policy where scrutiny isn’t going to have financial resources on its side. Credit where it’s due, billionaire money isn’t the end all be all factor because China will just take it… something the US should do too when billionaires violate the law.

“The voters cannot be failed, they can only fail the government.”

Bold of them to all go to the only rich country that has executed its billionaires for wrongdoing.

You do not win over people who are delusional by playing into their delusions, you acknowledge their delusions and explain it in another way. These people who believe thousands of lies from talking heads mostly got there by not being forced to acknowledge their shortcomings, whether it be about their tribalism, paranoia, guilt, or outright bigotry, it was because those views preexisted and were coddled. Most of the people who want to reach out to conservatives so bad can only fathom doing so by throwing the smallest victim under the bus. Fuck that

Because fascists, at least at the time, viewed support for other ethnostates as a means to an end for their own goals. Their opinion turned on a dime because it was no longer a popular and largely positive example of an ethnostate working, at least in the mind of Americans, who she wants to appeal to.