nohaybanda [he/him]

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Cake day: October 5th, 2020

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  • Yes I am talking about democracy. A subset of democratic governance is representative democracy, in which political functionaries and leaders are elected by way of popular* elections and given some* power to govern. Electoralism then is the practice of engaging with electoral politics using a variety of tactics - agitation, propaganda, canvassing, organised voting, voter suppression - in order to empower delegates who will in turn attempt to advance a political agenda. The “transfer of power from the few to the many” is one such agenda that may be pursued electorally. It is wrong to equate the goal with the political practice, they are different.

    Now, within socialist tradition there exists a strain of politics, which centers electoralism as the primary mode of political struggle towards the empowerment of the working class, to the exclusion or suppression of more active forms of struggle. That is called reformism. I challenge every one of you arguing with me here to show me where I have advocated for reformism.


    • I know these vary a lot, don’t @ me



  • Eat my entire ass. I very explicitly rejected the idea that liberal electoralism is the only possible kind and gave a reason why we should not default to capitalist societies as the sole or default carriers of the democratic tradition.

    While we’re on the subject. good faith approach: hey what do you mean by electoralism here?

    Bad faith: your aggro bullshit

    EDIT: I’m being aggro as well. My apologies, I’ll take a step back and cool off



  • I’ve linked an example above. Are you already familiar with the concept but disagree with my thesis that this is a form of electoral politics? If I proposed that Soviet council power was a form of electoral politics (as opposed to direct democracy or autocratic rule), would you disagree or expand on that?

    Or are you doubling down on you in initial knee jerk reaction and refusing to engage critically and seriously? The first step of a good faith attempt to engage with ideas is to ask for clarification.



  • I want to call on my comrades to read critically and not just dunk reflexively. This is a meme so of course it’s simplified, but the Rooskie makes a good point that a key part is missing here.

    Violent unrest is not by itself revolutionary violence. Without an organised vanguard, with an ideologically coherent political agenda, and enjoying the support of a class conscious activated base, violence is mere adventurism.

    And while many here will react at the inclusion of electoralism in the list above, I urge you to be precise in your thinking and analysis. We rightly make fun of liberal electoralism around here, it is not the only kind possible. The imperialist powers have (and still do) relentlessly propagated the lie that communism is antithetical to democratic rule and decisions are taken by autocratic diktat. That has never been the case and we should not concede that bigger point so we can score a point dunking on a stranger.