• JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      That’s fair. The usual response, which I subscribe to, is that you have a tipping point at which conventional diplomacy (or politics) fails and then you’re essentially in a different world, of wartime (or civil war) where different rules apply. America today is clearly not yet in a state of civil war, so the usual rules continue to apply.

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        That is just an illusion, those rules never apply, it’s just a playpen for us civilians but death is factory made and unlawfully mass distributed to the whole world mostly by those who are supposed to uphold these “rules”. It’s childish idealism to truly believe what you say, in my opinion

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        3 days ago

        Where do the Civil Rights Movement or the Troubles fall within that framework? What about the Irish war of independence?

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            No? The Civil Rights Movement obviously didn’t involve anybody but the US, and before the Irish war of independence Ireland was part of Britain. The Troubles were also within the bounds of the post-Irish independence UK, also known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. North Ireland in particular is still until now British territory. So, back to my question: Where do these conflicts fall within your framework?

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              3 days ago

              This is getting tiresome. Many countries have managed to achieve what the French Revolution achieved without mass bloodshed. You are clearly well informed so you know it as well as I do. Good day.