100% this in Italy too, we have like 20 communist parties no joke, If we are so disunited we can’t even think of winning a seat in the parliament let alone a socialist revolution, we must put away our differences at least for the time being, we did this in the first elections of the Republic and the popular front took half of the votes if I’m not mistaken.
CPUSA has a lot of solid comrades here, and we should never dismiss the party outright, as it has many dedicated younger members.
However their national leadership and “old guard”, and specifically their media organs like peoplesworld, are not the best, and tend to do a lot of “democratic party strategizing.” I won’t link any posts directly, but you can do a search on here, or just look through some of kind of articles the editors of peoplesworld tend to write.
Of course no party is perfect, and many comrades are doing their best to steer the org in a revolutionary direction. They’ve also had many wins in the last few years, coming out against patsocs, and against US funding the war in Ukraine.
Thanks. I like the leadership of the CPUSA, but of course, I’m biased.
I prefer Joe Sims’ direction to the direction of John Bachtell previously and especially Sam Webb.
I really wish people would give us a chance and maybe learn our history, but people either learn about, say, Earl Browder (and assume that that’s the CPUSA in a nutshell) or they assume that the 1930s period was the height of it and that’s that.
Nobody seems to learn of our history beyond the 1930s. It sucks. There’s a lot to tell, even in the now-overrated 1930s and especially outside of that period.
Would you post / summarise some of the history in other posts? Maybe in a community where mods will take a hard line so as not to create a situation where your explanation gets derailed (perhaps subject to expected levels of questioning, etc). It can be hard for outsiders to learn this stuff.
It seems that every western communist org has some dodgy stories attached to its name. I assume most of this is intended to undermine those parties, but it’s hard to know for sure and one doesn’t really want to associate with terrible reactionaries whatever their aesthetics (this is not directed at the CPUSA, btw, about which I know very little).
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it’s honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn’t run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it’s arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there’s a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn’t involve anything having to do with elections. We’re a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we’re an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that’s sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it’s good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
Well then if that is the case i may have been misinformed, and i apologize.
What is the CPUSA’s stance on NATO vs Russia/China if i may ask?
And are there plans to organize anti-war rallies like the recent one put together by the Libertarian Party? Because i find it very disappointing that the libertarians of all people - who otherwise can only be described as unserious clowns - were the first to actually put one together and not the left. I find what that says about the state of the anti-war left in the US quite discouraging.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I’d ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was “We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!”. On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. “Voting is a revolutionary act!” Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
Aren’t they trot orgs? And does WWP exist? I’ve never seen them. Even PSL I’ve seen (but my local PSL is terrible, helped cops kettle protestors during BLM) and are usually good from what i heard.
Philly. Also was some sex abuse scandal recently I think. Pretty sure my chapter garbage. Wild national hasn’t done anything about it though (at least not that I’ve heard).
No, I disagree with this as well; I find their constant attacks against my org to be annoying and, often, me and my comrades are essentially ignoring them while they focus on lobbing insults are way. I’ve often tried not to get involved in online arguments with them (well, except for one particular time that was a big exception), but they seem belligerent, even with other orgs, despite some very real issues that their org seems to have that they never even address when confronted about it. That’s what makes their tiff with us annoying, honestly.
They’re pretty based for what I can tell, but they do have a bit of the grudge against CPUSA. I don’t know too much about it though. Have you heard of Gus Hall? All I know of the dispute is PCUSA says he was a leader in early CPUSA, and they don’t talk about him, and are forgetting their roots.
I do not like them because of the amount of PatSocs that tend to join the organization, never mind Chris Helali being in it.
To be honest, their grudge goes back to their founding in 2014, when admittedly the whole Sam Webb affair came to its climax and he was ousted from the party. Angelo D’Angelo obviously had had enough after that, but honestly, some of his and his members attacks against the party seem to either indite everyone or not taken into account the realities of the time, in my honest opinion.
Of course, the truth is, I wouldn’t care about PCUSA either way and, in truth, did not back then when I eventually joined the CPUSA, but of course, I find their attacks against us annoying and so it seems I’m forced to sometimes contend with them online.
I hope the organizations can figure out their differences and reunite in practice if not in name, not sure what I could do about it as I’m not even a member.
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It was meant to make fun of trends at the times regarding Marxism and Marxism-Leninism.
In truth, this was how many communists in the USA and in the West thought, even if they changed since then. People are taking an article that was made in jest and turning it into something that it isn’t and it certainly doesn’t reflect the co-chair’s views now nor the National Committee of the party.
In truth, beyond that, I don’t think much of it, I suppose.
As a USian, probably DSA (rad-lib), or CPUSA (leadership is revisionist, much of it’s probably based).
What do you see as the most important task of people in the US, specifically the communist parties and comrades alike?
Frankly? I think some coalitionary politics will have to be made by various communist parties going forward as we go in strength.
But we’ll see.
100% this in Italy too, we have like 20 communist parties no joke, If we are so disunited we can’t even think of winning a seat in the parliament let alone a socialist revolution, we must put away our differences at least for the time being, we did this in the first elections of the Republic and the popular front took half of the votes if I’m not mistaken.
Frankly, it may be a necessity, not even something we really have a choice in.
PSL and WWP are much better than either CPUSA or the Democrat shills at DSA.
I am asking just purely of curiosity, what makes PSL and WWP better than the CPUSA? Not taking either side here, just curious your reasoning.
CPUSA has a lot of solid comrades here, and we should never dismiss the party outright, as it has many dedicated younger members.
However their national leadership and “old guard”, and specifically their media organs like peoplesworld, are not the best, and tend to do a lot of “democratic party strategizing.” I won’t link any posts directly, but you can do a search on here, or just look through some of kind of articles the editors of peoplesworld tend to write.
Of course no party is perfect, and many comrades are doing their best to steer the org in a revolutionary direction. They’ve also had many wins in the last few years, coming out against patsocs, and against US funding the war in Ukraine.
Do you think the CPUSA is heading in the correct direction given their recent wins?
I think so.
Thanks. I like the leadership of the CPUSA, but of course, I’m biased.
I prefer Joe Sims’ direction to the direction of John Bachtell previously and especially Sam Webb.
I really wish people would give us a chance and maybe learn our history, but people either learn about, say, Earl Browder (and assume that that’s the CPUSA in a nutshell) or they assume that the 1930s period was the height of it and that’s that.
Nobody seems to learn of our history beyond the 1930s. It sucks. There’s a lot to tell, even in the now-overrated 1930s and especially outside of that period.
Would you post / summarise some of the history in other posts? Maybe in a community where mods will take a hard line so as not to create a situation where your explanation gets derailed (perhaps subject to expected levels of questioning, etc). It can be hard for outsiders to learn this stuff.
It seems that every
westerncommunist org has some dodgy stories attached to its name. I assume most of this is intended to undermine those parties, but it’s hard to know for sure and one doesn’t really want to associate with terrible reactionaries whatever their aesthetics (this is not directed at the CPUSA, btw, about which I know very little).I may, but it’s not my job and I may not have the time, but I can try.
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it’s honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn’t run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it’s arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there’s a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn’t involve anything having to do with elections. We’re a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we’re an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that’s sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it’s good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
Well then if that is the case i may have been misinformed, and i apologize.
What is the CPUSA’s stance on NATO vs Russia/China if i may ask?
And are there plans to organize anti-war rallies like the recent one put together by the Libertarian Party? Because i find it very disappointing that the libertarians of all people - who otherwise can only be described as unserious clowns - were the first to actually put one together and not the left. I find what that says about the state of the anti-war left in the US quite discouraging.
We already have done so.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I’d ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
CPUSA didn’t simp for Biden in 2020 lol
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was “We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!”. On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. “Voting is a revolutionary act!” Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
I remember the CPUSA and People’s World articles; they didn’t say that.
Aren’t they trot orgs? And does WWP exist? I’ve never seen them. Even PSL I’ve seen (but my local PSL is terrible, helped cops kettle protestors during BLM) and are usually good from what i heard.
where was this?
Philly. Also was some sex abuse scandal recently I think. Pretty sure my chapter garbage. Wild national hasn’t done anything about it though (at least not that I’ve heard).
They are not Trotskyist but they split from SWP which was Trotskyist. PSL and WWP both support AES.
I see. They aren’t ML as far as I know though right?
I think they are ML.
Really? They follow dem cent and all that? Honestly shocking. In that case why are they and WWP different orgs?
PSL split from WWP in 2004 but I don’t know why. I know PSL holds congresses to elect their leadership like most ML parties.
I mean, even dems do that. Every political party holds stuff like that.
I disagree.
There’s also PCUSA and other more irrelevant, but based parties
No, I disagree with this as well; I find their constant attacks against my org to be annoying and, often, me and my comrades are essentially ignoring them while they focus on lobbing insults are way. I’ve often tried not to get involved in online arguments with them (well, except for one particular time that was a big exception), but they seem belligerent, even with other orgs, despite some very real issues that their org seems to have that they never even address when confronted about it. That’s what makes their tiff with us annoying, honestly.
They’re pretty based for what I can tell, but they do have a bit of the grudge against CPUSA. I don’t know too much about it though. Have you heard of Gus Hall? All I know of the dispute is PCUSA says he was a leader in early CPUSA, and they don’t talk about him, and are forgetting their roots.
I do not like them because of the amount of PatSocs that tend to join the organization, never mind Chris Helali being in it.
To be honest, their grudge goes back to their founding in 2014, when admittedly the whole Sam Webb affair came to its climax and he was ousted from the party. Angelo D’Angelo obviously had had enough after that, but honestly, some of his and his members attacks against the party seem to either indite everyone or not taken into account the realities of the time, in my honest opinion.
Of course, the truth is, I wouldn’t care about PCUSA either way and, in truth, did not back then when I eventually joined the CPUSA, but of course, I find their attacks against us annoying and so it seems I’m forced to sometimes contend with them online.
I hope the organizations can figure out their differences and reunite in practice if not in name, not sure what I could do about it as I’m not even a member.
It’s fine and yes, that would be for the best, I believe.
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Yeah, Chris Helali is bad news.
Who’s that?
This isn’t proof, but a general summary:
https://reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/jdtlmh/what_the_hells_up_w_christopher_helali/g9fxg0x
He ran for political office in Vermont, and PCUSA really advertised it at the time.
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Gus Hall is actually highly talked about in the current CPUSA.
That’s good, I’m guessing they’re just assuming that CPUSA hasn’t improved since they left.
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I’m already involved with another one
Leadership of CPUSA is not revisionist.
Comrade, what do you think about this article in particular?
It was meant to make fun of trends at the times regarding Marxism and Marxism-Leninism.
In truth, this was how many communists in the USA and in the West thought, even if they changed since then. People are taking an article that was made in jest and turning it into something that it isn’t and it certainly doesn’t reflect the co-chair’s views now nor the National Committee of the party.
In truth, beyond that, I don’t think much of it, I suppose.
All I know about them on that front is that there were some pro-dem tweets or something. I did not mean to insult you.
Oh no, it’s fine! I didn’t mean that you were being insulting. My apologies.