• Shimitar
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    10 months ago

    Find me a company that is not evil. Should we become all eco-beekepers or starve?

    Following your reasoning all marketing jobs should be unethical. Where do you draw the line?

    No, working is not unethical no matter who pays you.

    Reality is more complex than ideals.

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      10 months ago

      Although it is true that no organization is perfect, there are certainly better companies v.s. worse companies. For example, I believe Linux foundation is more ethical than Nestle, Mozilla is more ethical than Facebook, world bank is more ethical than American military.

      If all company is equally evil, then you probably won’t boycott nestle, because all of them are the same.

      Hence, to me, there are certainly more ethical job than other jobs, depends what you are contributing to. I would argue a gardener in charge of planting and preserving local plants, is more ethical than CEO of nestle. Marketing at EFF is probably a more ethical job than marketing for nestle.

      Of course, if you would starve when you don’t work for nestle, then the society has failed you, it is not your fault. This is why I said that I wouldn’t judge a person solely because they work at nestle, it really depends on their alternative.

      I understand different person realize their ethical standards to different extent, I personally won’t accept a job from nestle, no matter how much they are paying me, if I have the opportunity to earn a living wage as a barista, waiter, janitor, cook, or any other job.

      Finally, I believe “working is not unethical” seems misguided, by this logic CEO of nestle is ethical, he claim water shouldn’t be a human right, which indeed helps their company sell more product and make more money (like everyone else at nestle). By your reasoning, his claim should be completely ethical, because making money for nestle is in his job description.

      Like you said, real life is complicated, hence I believe blanketed statements like “working is not unethical” probably won’t hold true.

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        10 months ago

        I think you are correct on most of it, but judging if somebody has or not alternatives is impossible. Of course everybody has alternatives, at least in the western world, but still lots of good and ethical people work for Nestlé.