• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
        2712·
        14 days ago

        It depends. Defederation for good reasons is good, defederation for bad or false reasons is generally bad.

        As an example, having a strict and democratic defederation/federation policy has contributed to Hexbear having the most active trans community on Lemmy, and it’s a good thing that there’s an actively protected trans space free from bigotry.

        At the same time, defederating from instances for political reasons under the guise of other reasons is generally a bad thing.

        It’s largely context dependent.

        • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.world
          41·
          13 days ago

          I mean, “bad” in this case is completely subjective. There are large trans communities on other instances (blahaj being the most obvious one) and they have their reasons for defederating from Hexbear.

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
            63·
            13 days ago

            Hexbear defederated from blahaj, not the other way around. Either way, Hexbear remains the most active trans community on Lemmy.

            I understand why anticommunist instances like Lemmy.world defederate from Hexbear, I just don’t think it will help Lemmy.world in the long run, as Lemmy itself by nature is going to attract Communists due to its structure.

            • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.world
              5·
              13 days ago

              I dunno, I feel like anyone drawn to Lemmy for that reason will find lemmy.ml nearly as easily. If world suffers because of bad practices, well, that’s the way it goes. At least the fediverse lives on.

            • Pandantic@midwest.socialEnglish
              1·
              13 days ago

              Honestly .world should have just blocked the most common shiposting Hexbear comms like chapotraphouse and dunk_tank as these are what most users found annoying. And I believe ther are more leftists on .world than one might think. There’s a great games comm on Hexbear too, and downvote away on the leftist game posts - Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes anyway!

              • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                6·
                13 days ago

                The problem is that Lemmy.world doesn’t want Communists using their communities, not that their users shouldn’t be exposed to Communist posts, because they wanted homogenous liberalism.

                There are some leftists on .world, but they usually leave in favor of leftist instances from what I have personally seen.

                Absolutely agree about Hexbear’s games comm, easily the best gaming comm on Lemmy.

                • Pandantic@midwest.socialEnglish
                  2·
                  12 days ago

                  There are some leftists on .world, but they usually leave in favor of leftist instances from what I have personally seen.

                  Fair, that’s what I did.

          • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
            2·
            13 days ago

            Ada is okay with others chasing off people from the instance. Hard to say it’s a pro trans one after seeing multiple witch hunts done against a particular comm by one user and Ada just supporting the witch hunt

      • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
        92·
        13 days ago

        Well that’s definitely your own experience on federated platforms, but I wasn’t speaking to that circumstance. I made a mastodon account and criticized our government’s massive funding of Israel in spite of our lack of critical infrastructure and healthcare and got spammed with “Israel has a right to defend itself, and you 're a trumper if you think otherwise” type comments by people that post one response and then immediately block you. Which is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth. That is the perpetual echo chamber I was referring to from my personal experience.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
        2·
        12 days ago

        Are positive, liberal LGBT communities echo chambers

        Could be, especially if there aren’t a multitude of sentiments there. That doesn’t mean all sentiments must be present of course.

        Are they not allowed a collective space to hang out without having to explain themselves all the time

        I don’t think anyone said they aren’t allowed to have such a space.

      • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world
        1211·
        14 days ago

        You’re in an echo chamber if you curate your home feed to only show one opinion and then never change it; it doesn’t matter what the opinion is

              • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world
                2·
                13 days ago

                This is where you implied it was an attack. By saying that I was drawing an image of people when literally all I did was an explain what an echo chamber was. I never passed judgement on you, or said anything about the diversity of opinions I partake in. You decided all by yourself to be upset about a simple explanation of what an echo chamber was. If you’re not in one, don’t worry about it lol

          • JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world
            2·
            13 days ago

            How did you take this as an attack? An echo chamber is the exaggerated idea of hearing only a single opinion, as curated to your own beliefs. It doesn’t matter what the belief is.

            Obviously no one is 100% in an echo chamber, but it’s also obvious that everyone is guilty of confirmation bias; and tend to prefer seeing their own opinions online. I never said anything about my own feed or accused you of being in an echo chamber. I just explained what one was because you implied that it’s impossible to be in a liberal echo chamber

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      12 days ago

      It’s ironically more about certain instances creating echo chambers through constant censorship.

      Imagine an instance full of Nazi’s that only ever let’s Nazi posts stick. Is this if any value, or would defederating improve the quality of your experience?

    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
      313·
      14 days ago

      Yeah part of the point of this is that it’s not a free speech zone unless you want a free speech instance. I prefer a more curated against bigots experience. Others don’t. Still others prefer other forms of curation. Federation means we can all talk to each other as long as we stay within boundaries of what others will stay federated with.

      • Corgana@startrek.website
        5·
        13 days ago

        Exactly, it also means we can have different regions for different types of conversations, much like in the real world.

  • problematicPanther@lemmy.world
    492·
    13 days ago

    free speech also applies to lemmy servers. If the server doesn’t agree with most of what’s on your server, they can and should have the option to not associate with your server at all. This honestly sounds like a shit take elon would have made.

    • flashgnash@lemm.ee
      171·
      13 days ago

      It is kinda surprising how much obvious propaganda makes it onto Lemmy, for example those memes that aren’t really memes as much as “haha this opinion wrong”

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
        241·
        13 days ago

        Lemmy itself is largely made up of Communists, Anarchists, and liberals fleeing Reddit.

        As a consequence, there’s a lot of Communist agit-prop, and a lot of reflective panic on the hands of liberals.

      • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
        8·
        13 days ago

        The cycle of a specific comm on world

        we only allow memes here

        points out posts that aren’t memes

        stop asking us to follow our rules

        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
        2·
        12 days ago

        This is a very political place, even compared to Reddit where there’s a shitload of politics

        • flashgnash@lemm.ee
          1·
          12 days ago

          I think it’s just as much a hivemind if not moreso than Reddit. Also, probably way easier to make bots for too

  • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
    382·
    14 days ago

    I think there’s benefit to blocking the particularly Nazi/pedo instances, but otherwise do wish we’d just all be able to federate together and share content for the most part.

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
      2·
      12 days ago

      You’ll just need to find an instance that federates with most instances. I think that’s why I chose lemm.ee. A lot of them censored porn too which was lame.

  • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
    334·
    13 days ago

    lemmy world admins cracking down on posts they don’t like with no accountability and arbitrarily changing their ToS after the fact to cover for it, but somehow the entirety of the factionalist weirdos who cling to the idea of a corpo-friendly Reddit clone are laying the blame on… other instances?

  • pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
    27·
    14 days ago

    I think it depends on what you disagree with. If one is promoting going after our neighbors, hunting them down and killing them? Yeah, defederate. If another is Meta trying to take over the federation. Yeah, I vote defederate. If one thinks Hawaiian pizza is a travesty and the other doesn’t, hold your horses.

  • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
    241·
    13 days ago

    I tried like 4 different lemmy instances before settling on lemm.ee because it hasn’t defederated from the socialists or “tankies”. So I can participate.

    This defederation fracturing lemmy really speaks to both self-censorship of allowable ideologies and also bad quality of admins and mods several servers.

    If lemmy can’t somehow federate communities separately from instances I don’t see lemmy thriving.

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
      194·
      13 days ago

      Lemmy is thriving enough. Self-sufficient instances like Hexbear are fine without large amounts of federation. I do see Lemmy.world running into issues in the future due to their strong Zionist slant and anti-Leftist stance, but the other major instances seem to be fine.

      • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
        82·
        13 days ago

        I do see Lemmy.world running into issues in the future

        I think lemmy.world is already pretty bad. To get away from their posts and comments I’ve considered joining hexbear, since you people honestly have the best content and most wholesome community and aren’t federated with .world, but I also don’t want to be completely isolated from the rest of the fediverse. However, I just noticed there are only 5 instances in hexbear’s blocked instance list and plenty in the linked list. Maybe I didn’t notice how all other instances started federating with hexbear again?

        I don’t know what the “allowed” instance list means though.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          11·
          13 days ago

          To get away from their posts and comments I’ve considered joining hexbear, since you people honestly have the best content and most wholesome community and aren’t federated with .world

          Make an account, Hexbear is perfect for you. I made a Hexbear account a few months ago and enjoy my time there much more than I do here, there’s far fewer struggle sessions and the quality of discussion is much higher.

          I also don’t want to be completely isolated from the rest of the fediverse.

          The cool thing about Hexbear is that it has by far the most active userbase I have seen, it’s fully self-sufficient and you won’t likely miss the rest.

          However, I just noticed there are only 5 instances in hexbear’s blocked instance list and plenty in the linked list. Maybe I didn’t notice how all other instances started federating with hexbear again?

          Some instances have Hexbear blocked on their side that Hexbear doesn’t have blocked, so this can be misleading, however it’s mostly the right-wing instances like shitjustworks, lemmy.world, and lemmy.ca that are of note, and their content fine to drop.

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
            61·
            12 days ago

            Have you visited Hexbear? It’s a very wholesome instance overall and posters are very supportive, assuming you’re a Leftist. What leads you to believe otherwise?

            • Juice@midwest.social
              21·
              12 days ago

              Lol when I got banned from a major comm for defending a trotskyist comrade, after two years of participation on the instance, I learned all about the wholesomeness of your “non-sectarian” instance.

      • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
        21·
        13 days ago

        Yeah it is thriving, what I meant is that to have a chance to replace reddit, lemmy needs to find some technical solutions (moving / migrating / merging of communities) and somehow stop fracturing into islands.

        But maybe that age of the internet has passed and people are no longer willing because of trolls, bad faith actors, sock puppets, bots… and the increasing polarization of ideology and propaganda.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          9·
          13 days ago

          My point is that it doesn’t need to surpass Reddit, as long as its users enjoy using it then that is enough. Using Hexbear as an example, Hexbear doesn’t need any more growth, and is active enough to pretty much fulfill anything it needs on its own local instance.

        • hamid 🏴@vegantheoryclub.org
          4·
          12 days ago

          I don’t think surpassing or having anything to do with reddit is valuable. I use lemmy because I think reddit sucks but now I can see how it can be better. For example, I want to disable all voting on my instance, I don’t believe it helps anything and the only reason lemmy has it is because of reddit, there is no algorithm or anything. That to me seems like the worst reason to have something.

          • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
            1·
            12 days ago

            Ok I’m just thinking out loud here…

            Part of what makes (made) reddit great is that there are so many niche communities. That you scroll through reddit and find something interesting and new and can just jump in and discuss it.
            THAT I think we can all agree would be great to grow in lemmy.

            There is no question that lemmy IS the same social media “mode” as reddit, a link aggregator where users can democratically sort news and articles and topics and discuss things. Lemmy is a clone of reddit, this can’t be disputed. The question is how to make it better than reddit and avoid the pitfalls. Right now moderation and admins are a bit problematic like e.g. the recent vegan clusterfuck.

            And yeah for certain subs like vegan you don’t need downvotes since there wouldn’t be too many “controversial” topics. I suspect part of what is lacking on reddit is that there isn’t enough “tagging” on reddit. Like having ways for users to mark a post “funny/silly” or “unconstructive” or “misinformation” or NSFW, NSFL or hatespeech. Besides upvoting. Maybe I’m wrong with this.

            But I think over time reddit degraded because the system didn’t support protection against malicious actors. For example tons of meta jokes. Every serious topic has a joke comment on top. You can’t filter them out. That might be a great use of AI like chatGPT for this where the AI learns from the tags and then allows to filter out joke comments. Not censor but allows you to filter out things that can be fun and crass but are not good for long term community. Basically to help moderators.

            Of course the current problem is that users themselves have become more and more “post-truth”, not just the fascists but the “leftists”, liberals and centrists too and shout down any dissident opinion because they assume it’s bad faith. Nobody wants to engage any more because they’ve been burned. Maybe that can be reversed if lemmy has the right tools and the community is moderated well enough to “heal”. But again, the admins and moderators are currently the problem on lemmy. Lots of power-tripping and radicalism (and I don’t just mean the socialists lol).

            And voting with your feet is also a problem because it leads to fracturing like mentioned in OP and that does have a negative effect. Like the europe@feddit.de community lost 75% of it’s users with the move to feddit.org. I assume similar things will happen to the vegan community now that you moved and people searching for vegan will be confused. Better technical tools are required.

            So I think it’s not just about surpassing reddit in numbers, even though at least some growth is very curcial for niches to thrive, but to grow the usability of the software.

            Anyway, just rambling / thinking out loud 🙂

            • hamid 🏴@vegantheoryclub.org
              3·
              12 days ago

              Just to tone set, I appreciate the rambling and thinking out loud, I’m kind of doing the same and if I don’t write this intro people might think im mad or am dwelling but really I just want this to be better

              for the record, Vegan Theory Club and Vegan Home Cooks moved off of lemmy.world ahead of this by several months because I don’t agree with their philosophy or motivation. Mods and users of my instance were involved but me (tech admin) and Arcane Potato (admin) were not involved at all and to be honest I only sort of know what happened, I’m cooking food and posting about my gardening. To address your last thought first I do not care about fracturing anything, I don’t view my instance as a “lemmy” instance, it is its own website with its own content and the rest doesn’t matter. I’m trying to grow my local communities with local users and the federation is a bonus. In my experience online active forms don’t need hundreds of thousands of people to be fun or interesting, Reddit needs that to sell ads.

              There is no question that lemmy IS the same social media “mode” as reddit, a link aggregator where users can democratically sort news and articles and topics and discuss things. Lemmy is a clone of reddit, this can’t be disputed. The question is how to make it better than reddit and avoid the pitfalls. Right now moderation and admins are a bit problematic like e.g. the recent vegan clusterfuck.

              Reddit has never been democratic and the votes drive a mystery algorithm with karma scores and the votes themselves live behind a wall of fuzzing that Lemmy does not do. There is also hidden moderation which isn’t possible on Lemmy with the modlog. So there is a lot of cogs in making reddit content viable and it isn’t simply what people vote on. My thoughts is that this is probably for the best if they’re going to have them at all, but makes them kayfabe like WWE Wrestling. Direct democracy as what is occurring now on Lemmy sucks and is basically spam that favors bots and propaganda. In my take moderation and admins are not the problem, it is lack of quality users who are willing to contribute which is the signal and too much noise of douche bags with no ownership or respect shitting all over it. If people want a site to doomscroll while depressed on the toilet, I’m for sure not willing to pay for that. They should just use reddit. One really big and key difference is that I personally own the server it runs on and it is open source software with an open license that I am free to modify.

              I think this is important to understand if federated media is going to succeed. We need most people, many of whom already pay subscriptions for spotify and hbo, to pay for and deploy instances. There are already managed service providers that host it for you for reasonable rates. I don’t really think instances should have more than a handful of communities (if any) to avoid large centralized hosts like lemmy.world. Each instance is a collection of only the communities subscribed on that instance or created by one of the users and becomes a personal service for that person or small group of people. You’re right about the fracturing and we see that now but I think that can be solved with multi-comm tags pretty easily. I think we should do more to promote specific communities than instances. For Vegan Theory Club, I really only want to promote !homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org and getting that entire thing out there is the goal.

              To be honest I think 100 people per maximum per instance is probably a sweet spot where people who decide to pay for it can keep an eye on all the users and the costs for any one person won’t spiral out of control (~12 usd/month for a hosted container service). I think having smaller instances of accountable users to each other is the end goal and it will take a lot of education, software development and changes to move in that way. To your point I think discoverability for communities is problematic now but this is beta and third party services might come up with something eventually.

              • LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
                21·
                11 days ago

                Yeah thinking about this, individual servers for specialized topics seems like the way to go. I guess it depends on the type of community. Vegan is large enough but still a specialized community that yeah doesn’t need size. It’s specialized but not a niche.

                But other niche communities, e.g. av1, jpegxl or velomobile, are too niche to work without more people. I think.

                But it would still be good if you could at least set a community to automatically “forward” to a new instance. And maybe that a community could “export” the posts from existing instance to a new instance. Then you could move or merge. I believe something like that is needed.

    • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
      9·
      12 days ago

      Yes, I basically searched for which one is least likely to defederate from random shit.

      I’m prepared to traverse seas of horrors to bring home fresh memes every single day (except I sometimes skip alternating Tuesdays if I have to wait for too long to say hi to Reginald).

    • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.world
      3·
      13 days ago

      Meh, that’s kind of the point, no? Seems like it would be more jarring to only federate at the community level, as you either a) still have to interact with people from the unwanted instance or b) deal with randomly hidden comments from that instance. If the community dies because it’s on an unpopular instance, well, that’s the way it goes. Can always start up/join a community on another instance that’s federated with yours.

  • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
    203·
    14 days ago

    Some places suck.

    Some places suck, by design.

    Reducing criticism of systemic problems to “just because you disagree” is dishonest… and indicative.

      • joyhunter@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5·
        14 days ago

        sigh All because of woke! It’s like you can’t even be civilized and manifest destiny in peace anymore… sarcasm

      • Miles O'Brien@startrek.websiteEnglish
        719·
        14 days ago

        I see no problem with blocking users for their belief that I should be slaughtered over the sin of checks comments being born in the USA.

        And I see no problem blocking instances where they gather.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          183·
          14 days ago

          You do realize that was most likely a joke comment, right? The genocidal US Empire is awful, but the idea that some online Communist thinks you should die purely from being from the US is silly.

        • abcdefg@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          174·
          14 days ago

          Buddy your country has killed tens if not over a hundred million people in the conquest of war for hegemonic power and resource control across the globe. Someone on the internet hurt your feelings when making a joke. Obviously those two things are the same. 🙄

  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    184·
    13 days ago

    When Musk took over Twitter he allowed violent and extremist views to flood it without moderation.

    That’s the sort of community Lemmy would be if we didn’t have the tools needed to keep it clean of harmful ideologies.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        221·
        13 days ago

        When nazis start enforcing their ideology I will raise arms, until then your sentiment closely resembles the goal of propagandists on these sites: create division and cause violence.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          172·
          13 days ago

          What are you talking about? Exploding Heads is a literal Nazi Lemmy Instance that was defederated by pretty much every major instance.

          Or are you going on an Anticommunist rant?

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
            110·
            13 days ago

            I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because the comment explicitly reads as such.

            There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              102·
              13 days ago

              I have no context about the community, I assumed you were advocating for exploding heads of political enemies as a way of keeping feeds clean, because their comment explicitly reads as such.

              That’s certainly a leap. Exploding Heads is a Nazi Lemmy Instance.

              There is nothing communist about Nazis, just like theres nothing Democratic about the DPRK.

              So it was a random anticommunist rant, unprovoked, lmao

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                16·
                13 days ago

                If anything I said seems anticommunist to you then clearly you don’t know what communism is.

                You should start referring to the nazi community “exploding heads” as “the nazi community “exploding heads”” if you dont want people to think of heads which are exploding.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                  53·
                  13 days ago

                  I know quite well what Communism is, thank you very much. You’re openly pro-NATO and anti-Communist.

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          103·
          13 days ago

          Anti-Trade

          What does this mean?

          Anti-NATO

          It’s good to be Anti-NATO, NATO has Nazi origins and serves as a way to maintain Western Hegemony, securing profits via Imperialism and defending said Imperialism through coalition.

            • SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works
              6·
              12 days ago

              anti globalist, economically it’s just universally bad

              Right… NAFTA was universally beloved and was never taken advantage of by unsavory political characters. I’m sure you have some very unkind words for Biden after he continued and expanded Trump’s trade war.[/s]

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                1·
                12 days ago

                funnily enough my comment was removed, unsure why, pretty sure it was mostly accurate though lol.

                I’m sure you have some very unkind words for Biden after he continued and expanded Trump’s trade war.

                it’s a fine balance between putting a 20% tariff on literally every import (i believe trump wanted to do this) and putting a 100% tariff on chinese EVs to give the american auto market a leg to stand on.

                It’s a give and take, like everything is. But regardless, globalism is generally good for the economy.

                • SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  12 days ago

                  It is weird that your comment was removed.

                  it’s a fine balance between putting a 20% tariff on literally every import (i believe trump wanted to do this) and putting a 100% tariff on chinese EVs to give the american auto market a leg to stand on.

                  Right this is the contradiction I was poking fun at.

                  Personally, I prefer the carrot to the stick approach. I think we should do more stuff like the chips act and less stuff like tariffs. This is especially true in the context of technology that aids in the transition to an economy that uses less fossil fuels. The ~$10,000 Chinese EVs would be a pretty massive tool in that arsenal. (Though not as good of a tool as they are in China because of China’s genuinely impressive rail system.) If you want more American made EVs —cool so do I— but we will get there faster with the right industrial policy. The tariffs do little to make that happen.

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
            812·
            13 days ago

            Lmao

            Mutual defense and deterrent to invasion by hostile world powers both in and outside of NATO is a bad thing? Sure, okay pal.

            • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
              91·
              13 days ago

              .

              Also, don’t send us reports just because you don’t agree with someone. We’re not here to censor people for you.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                25·
                12 days ago

                Oh no! So you want to talk about how the mutual self defence pact is somehow oppressing you or will you just keep dodging forever?

                • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
                  61·
                  12 days ago

                  Nato is as much a “mutual defense” pact as sea lions are lions. These guys bombed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq and countless other nations. The members of Nato have repeatedly cooperated with each other, using the military networks built through the alliance to wage proxy wars, perform coups, destabilise regions of the world at a scale never before seen in human history.

                  You might as well call the axis a mutual defense alliance lmao.

                • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  12 days ago

                  Reason: User threatens me not to report his alt accounts for misinformation again

                  What alt accounts? What are you even talking about? That’s two bullshit reports in one day, wasting our time.

                  Reason: Claimes NATO forces other nations into subservience.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              113·
              13 days ago

              It’s an alliance between Imperialist countries, and the alliance itself has Nazi origins and has had Nazi leaders. Yes, it’s a bad thing, because Imperialism is a bad thing.

              It’s a gang of countries that hyper-exploit the Global South in mutual defense against said Global South.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                47·
                13 days ago

                It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.

                Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.

                • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
                  96·
                  13 days ago

                  It’s literally only function is a deterrent to war, including by members against others as they will not gain NATO support unless they are attacked.

                  It’s expansionist against the wishes of outside countries, and NATO exerts military pressure on the Global South.

                  Its members might exploit, but thats a meaningless statement about NATO itself because without NATO there would literally be more war.

                  Bzzzzt wrong. NATO’s only function is to preserve Western Hegemony and dominate the Global South militarily, so that member-States can continue exploiting ruthlessly unopposed. This results in proxy wars, such as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
          73·
          13 days ago

          I’ve got bad news for you: a lot of us are anti-NATO.

          Also, what the hell is anti-trade? Do you want every Westphalian state to build a wall around itself?

          Edit to add: Oh I see, you created this new account because @FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today got permabanned from lemmy.ml 😂 Let’s see how long this one lasts…

        • graphene@lemm.ee
          31·
          12 days ago

          Ah yes, free trade, the thing that improved the economies of ex-communist countries after the USSRs collapse and is on the path to fixing almost every African nations poverty.

          Ah yes, NATO, the “we will only call for (and maybe possibly do something to enforce) human rights if it’s convenient for us” alliance. And I’m sure all it’s member nations have squeaky clean track records when it comes to international politics.

          We must ban anyone against these things! That’s dangerous extremist ideology

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
            52·
            12 days ago

            NATO’s only function is mutual defense, NATO support ends when a member attacks.

            Since the only thing NATO does is prevent War, the only anti-NATO stance is a pro-war stance.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                42·
                12 days ago

                Are you referring to the coalition of some NATO members and some non-NATO members (19 nations total) enforcing a United Nations Security Council decision to make an immediate ceasefire and end the civil war in Libya?

                The one with zero troops on the ground?

                Being in NATO had no impact on the events, NATO member support was not mandatory as per the terms of NATO. The only reason they even call it a NATO operarion was because Itally would only vote in favor of the operation if NATO members were in charge instead of France.

                • IAmNotACat@lemmy.world
                  31·
                  12 days ago

                  The reason for NATO’s involvement is quite irrelevant because they were still happy to step in and do the work. The fact is that it was ultimately NATO-led and their efforts did not lead to peace in the region.

                  To call NATO’s involvement in Libya ‘anti-war’ is sheer lunacy.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                12·
                13 days ago

                Well I certainly could make comparisons but thats a little irrelevnt. The core of my statement is that Lemmy doesn’t operate the way Twitter does.

                For me “the fuck is that question” is just a colloquial expression of confusion, not anger.

  • Melody Fwygon@lemmy.oneEnglish
    123·
    13 days ago

    In aggregate; 5 instances, less than 5 communities, and more than 69, nice, blocked users.

    I don’t mess around. I don’t hesitate to block people who argue needlessly, make my experience less informational or less entertaining, troll, or disregard arguments made in foundational logic to push a point of view or ‘win the argument’. Similarly my instance ignores downvotes and does not display them; as with most platforms which behave similarly to reddit; they simply do not work outside of your personal, local account, local instance, user-sorting context.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      212·
      13 days ago

      My instance removed downvotes before we even launched federation. Also more instances preemptively defederated with us before that even happened because they were scared of the evil tankies (which is funny because a bunch of us are also anarchists).