it always gives me pause to see well known kernel maintainers take such seemingly knee jerk reactions.
when a someone like a script kiddie does it, it doesn’t matter; but I wonder when a kernel maintainer does it and i think i’m afraid to learn that the impetus and the thought process for both are the same.
Something i have learned in life, much to my own dismay, is that a lot of people that are very smart, and very good at specific things are really insanely reactionary. I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world and just catch some CNN here and there and go ok ya thats 100% true time to get back to arguing about boot loaders or whatever.
Like i bet the people who made this decision are rn thinking to themselves “Wait im confused the news said Russia was bad and my close circle of lib friends thought this was a good idea why is everyone mad?”
This has been 100% my experience as well. Most of the really good coders I’ve met are the types that also do it as a hobby outside work and also are reactionary/turbolib empire bootlickers. Literally regurgitating MSM slop and thinking they understand societal problems because they’ve read an op-ed in Bloomberg about why we need AI to fix the economy rather or something like that.
I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world
I’d also add to that the fact that this one thing they focus on has often been put on a pedestal (like coding for instance), which gets to many of them and makes them overestimate their abilities in other areas (“society says coders are smart, I’m a coder, I make good money, maybe I really am better than others, even at other things too” - an attitude I’ve encountered quite a few times).
100% agreed. Most software engineers are awful in this respect.
I’ve heard one fun thing is being a software engineer with multiple jobs at the same time, barely doing any work, and mostly just studying political theory and using the extra funds to fund local projects organized by their local communist party. A … um … friend of mine does something like that.
So you have to maintain separate resumes once you split into two or more simultaneous roles. You probably want to do this once you’ve reached software engineer or senior software engineer level and are feeling very comfortable.
Sometimes you’ll have two meetings at the same time which can be kind of a pain. A 3.5mm audio mixer can enable you to mix the audio outputs from two or more computers so you can listen to both at the same time. As software engineer, you probably only have to talk occasionally.
This can probably apply to other jobs where you can easily exaggerate the amount of time tasks are taking. Most people in the software engineering industry seem to have no idea how long a given task should take.
I heard this can be risky with two jobs in the same industry due to limits of one account per person. This was from a tiktok video though so I don’t have any other details.
Unless you luck out, it would probably be difficult to accomplish this with one or more of the jobs being FAANG employers, but I’d be rooting for anyone who tried.
I admit I didn’t expect you to go into the specifics of it but this is some next level shit that never crossed my mind!
Tbh I’d chicken out trying to do that now, but I’ve definitely been in a few jobs where it felt like I could get away with it. Makes me miss even more the days when you could easily work fully remotely. Maybe one day…
Programmers, the senior ones who can court good money with relative ease at least, are gonna tend to be pretty well off, which I’m sure is part of it. For them, the concept of “skills gud, pay gud too, something something meritocracy vibes” pretty much applies (even if the reasons it works for them are probably not what they think) and afaik they don’t even have to fight for it with unions much of the time because the demand is high enough and the number of people at their skill level low enough. Entry level seems to be a much different story, having become saturated with all the bootcamp code stuff and “learn to code” rhetoric and such. But like, there’s stuff where it runs on some old programming language that virtually nobody learns or actively uses anymore, so knowing it could give you a lot of leverage.
The moment these types of people were faced with hardship in employment and wages, I’m confident many of them would start questioning a lot of things they never thought much about before. But as long as they are a relatively comfy class in high demand, much of the class struggle can fly under the radar for them and through that, much of the rhetoric that might persuade them to think about imperialism as well.
Yup. It’s haute labor aristocracy. Or was, maybe it’s down a peg nowadays. And usually all STEM, no humanities. No class consciousness. Petit bourgeois stock options aspirations.
By all rights I should be an insufferable turbolib.
The treats are eroding nowadays, though, so they’re likely to get angrier. Maybe a few will develop class consciousness.
Most of these types I interact with are blaming the poor or some specific government “bad apples”. A few do seem to almost “get it”, but still have way too many liberal brainworms and draw some milquetoast or outright reactionary conclusions
It’s an uphill battle trying to instill any sort of class consciousness in these people, as expected due to their material conditions
At least in some Brazilian communities, there were recent news of companies HR making a cartel over hiring new employees. Suddenly people started getting angry at companies and the “market”. I could even see people shitting on liberals and ancaps. I think we are seeing a small rise.
Unfortunately, collective suffering is the best fuel to develop class solidarity. It’s not a desirable thing, but this is what actually happens.
Yeah, we need to stop doing that. I’m so sick of coders that act like they’re big brain geniuses because society put their profession on a pedestal for the last decade or so
Torvalds is a Finn. Finns are on a perpetual “pretending not to be a Nazi but actually being the reborn spirit of Goebells” mode, so it was a matter of time
it always gives me pause to see well known kernel maintainers take such seemingly knee jerk reactions.
when a someone like a script kiddie does it, it doesn’t matter; but I wonder when a kernel maintainer does it and i think i’m afraid to learn that the impetus and the thought process for both are the same.
Something i have learned in life, much to my own dismay, is that a lot of people that are very smart, and very good at specific things are really insanely reactionary. I think it comes from them spending so much time on that one thing that they just kind of dont even put any brain power towards politics or the state of the world and just catch some CNN here and there and go ok ya thats 100% true time to get back to arguing about boot loaders or whatever.
Like i bet the people who made this decision are rn thinking to themselves “Wait im confused the news said Russia was bad and my close circle of lib friends thought this was a good idea why is everyone mad?”
This has been 100% my experience as well. Most of the really good coders I’ve met are the types that also do it as a hobby outside work and also are reactionary/turbolib empire bootlickers. Literally regurgitating MSM slop and thinking they understand societal problems because they’ve read an op-ed in Bloomberg about why we need AI to fix the economy rather or something like that.
I’d also add to that the fact that this one thing they focus on has often been put on a pedestal (like coding for instance), which gets to many of them and makes them overestimate their abilities in other areas (“society says coders are smart, I’m a coder, I make good money, maybe I really am better than others, even at other things too” - an attitude I’ve encountered quite a few times).
100% agreed. Most software engineers are awful in this respect.
I’ve heard one fun thing is being a software engineer with multiple jobs at the same time, barely doing any work, and mostly just studying political theory and using the extra funds to fund local projects organized by their local communist party. A … um … friend of mine does something like that.
Interesting. I need to learn more about this from this friend of yours, for academic reasons
So you have to maintain separate resumes once you split into two or more simultaneous roles. You probably want to do this once you’ve reached software engineer or senior software engineer level and are feeling very comfortable.
Sometimes you’ll have two meetings at the same time which can be kind of a pain. A 3.5mm audio mixer can enable you to mix the audio outputs from two or more computers so you can listen to both at the same time. As software engineer, you probably only have to talk occasionally.
This can probably apply to other jobs where you can easily exaggerate the amount of time tasks are taking. Most people in the software engineering industry seem to have no idea how long a given task should take.
I heard this can be risky with two jobs in the same industry due to limits of one account per person. This was from a tiktok video though so I don’t have any other details.
Unless you luck out, it would probably be difficult to accomplish this with one or more of the jobs being FAANG employers, but I’d be rooting for anyone who tried.
Any other particular questions?
I admit I didn’t expect you to go into the specifics of it but this is some next level shit that never crossed my mind!
Tbh I’d chicken out trying to do that now, but I’ve definitely been in a few jobs where it felt like I could get away with it. Makes me miss even more the days when you could easily work fully remotely. Maybe one day…
Ah yeah, they definitely have to be remote roles for it to be feasible. Good luck to you!
Programmers, the senior ones who can court good money with relative ease at least, are gonna tend to be pretty well off, which I’m sure is part of it. For them, the concept of “skills gud, pay gud too, something something meritocracy vibes” pretty much applies (even if the reasons it works for them are probably not what they think) and afaik they don’t even have to fight for it with unions much of the time because the demand is high enough and the number of people at their skill level low enough. Entry level seems to be a much different story, having become saturated with all the bootcamp code stuff and “learn to code” rhetoric and such. But like, there’s stuff where it runs on some old programming language that virtually nobody learns or actively uses anymore, so knowing it could give you a lot of leverage.
The moment these types of people were faced with hardship in employment and wages, I’m confident many of them would start questioning a lot of things they never thought much about before. But as long as they are a relatively comfy class in high demand, much of the class struggle can fly under the radar for them and through that, much of the rhetoric that might persuade them to think about imperialism as well.
Yup. It’s haute labor aristocracy. Or was, maybe it’s down a peg nowadays. And usually all STEM, no humanities. No class consciousness. Petit bourgeois stock options aspirations.
By all rights I should be an insufferable turbolib.
The treats are eroding nowadays, though, so they’re likely to get angrier. Maybe a few will develop class consciousness.
Most of these types I interact with are blaming the poor or some specific government “bad apples”. A few do seem to almost “get it”, but still have way too many liberal brainworms and draw some milquetoast or outright reactionary conclusions
It’s an uphill battle trying to instill any sort of class consciousness in these people, as expected due to their material conditions
Well I’m very glad that you’re not. :D
At least in some Brazilian communities, there were recent news of companies HR making a cartel over hiring new employees. Suddenly people started getting angry at companies and the “market”. I could even see people shitting on liberals and ancaps. I think we are seeing a small rise.
Unfortunately, collective suffering is the best fuel to develop class solidarity. It’s not a desirable thing, but this is what actually happens.
One good thing about the last 3 years is that it has made me stop putting people on a pedestal and imagining them as more “advanced”.
At the end of the day we’re all just slophogs
Yeah, we need to stop doing that. I’m so sick of coders that act like they’re big brain geniuses because society put their profession on a pedestal for the last decade or so
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Torvalds is a Finn. Finns are on a perpetual “pretending not to be a Nazi but actually being the reborn spirit of Goebells” mode, so it was a matter of time