• Hardeehar@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      84
      ·
      1 year ago

      I’m okay with skeptical and verifying but he doesn’t challenge all his guests equally. I’m not saying he should be perfect, but there are some really far out ideas that need more questioning before I’m personally satisfied.

      • kameecoding@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        46
        ·
        1 year ago

        he is a cunt, literally lied about how he heard they are putting cat litter into classes so that kids eho identify as cats have somewhere to go, then when called out on it that it’s bullshit he just said it’s a joke or something.

        the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

        it’s covered in Some more News’ Moral panic video

        https://youtu.be/oAeKAJFrb0w

        • sfgifz@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          50
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

          Do Americans not realize how fucked up their country sounds to the rest of us when they do this kind of shit instead of controlling you-know-what?

          • fsxylo@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            20
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            We absolutely do. Our country has been captured and held hostage by a small minority of selfish morons.

            • TurtleJoe@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 year ago

              Gun control is tricky; studies that I’ve seen show that a large majority want “dune kind of gun control” but any discussion of what that entails starts to get less popular in a hurry.

              I’ve found that many otherwise reasonable people get upset really quickly when the subject even gets brought up.

              • Waldemar_Firehammer@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                9
                ·
                1 year ago

                Gun control is ineffective. The real issue plaguing the US is poverty and mental health. Just look to some of the areas with the most strict gun control laws, they’re also the areas with the highest gun violence statistics in the country. Chicago, New York, LA to name a few.

                One of the reasons places like schools are targeted so often is because it’s a known soft target. Gun free zones are known to have less resistance to the scumbags and cowards that are doing these heinous acts. If they knew that every adult could potentially fight back and give as good as they get, I would expect there would be far fewer mass shootings. These people are cowards praying upon those who cannot resist, and even the threat of potential return fire is enough to deter most.

                I’m not saying that we should force every teacher to become certified and carry, but it should be up to them whether they choose to fight for their students, and if they do they should have the same or better tools than the bad guys.

                • BigNote@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  This. This is exactly what OP was talking about when they said we look crazy to the rest of the world.

                • Bucket_of_Truth@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  LA probably has more laws about fishing from piers than Phoenix does too. Places with higher gun crime rates combat that with gun laws.

        • Meldroc@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          ·
          1 year ago

          With his alt-right views, Joe Rogan has essentially become Rush Limbaugh with a traumatic brain injury.

        • candybrie@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          11
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          1 year ago

          the real reason litter was being put into classes was so that if a school shooting happens kids have somewhere to go and it doesn’t go everywhere

          I believe that as much as the original claim.

          • kameecoding@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            18
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_boxes_in_schools_hoax?wprov=sfla1

            The only known official instance of cat litter being placed in school classrooms for potential use by students was in the late 2010s by the Jefferson County Public School District in Colorado, where the 1999 Columbine High School massacre took place. Some teachers were given “go buckets” that contained cat litter to be used as a toilet in an emergency lockdown situation, such as during a school shooting.

            moral panics always have a core of truth in them maybe watch the video it’s really good, adresses the satanist panic etc.

            • S_204@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              1 year ago

              Only in America does a bucket need to be marketed as a place to take a shit when toilets aren’t available.

              The stupidity of Americans is comical. Yet there’s pride in the ignorance. Astonishing.

      • madcaesar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        32
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        I will also say it’s 2023, some things are past even being sceptical about.

        If you bring on a flatearther you aren’t being sceptical, you’re a moron.

      • Turkey_Titty_city@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        35
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        His show is entertainment first and foremost. That means glorifying stupid bullshit for the entertainment value of it.

        Most hard science is boring. Most fringe theory thinking is dramatic and thrilling.

    • whatisallthis@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      1 year ago

      I love that though. I want to hear these wack jobs talk. I don’t listen to get smarter, just like I don’t go to McDonalds for a fine cooked meal.

      • jscummy@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        And that’s fine, if you understand that these are wack jobs who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Most of Rogan’s listeners definitely don’t

        • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          16
          ·
          1 year ago

          Well, that’s just bullshit.

          We’ve been seeing the destructive power of the media legitimizing unsupported ideas. Fox News, Info Wars, and other outlets are what led to things like January 6th. So seeing someone like Rogan, who has a giant fan base and a popular show that gives credence to wildly inaccurate information pisses off a lot of us. I complain about it because it makes me angry, not because doing so makes me feel superior.

        • whatisallthis@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Yeah if people go to a game show host/sports commentator for their political or scientific worldview that isn’t my problem.

          • Lurk99777@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 year ago

            It is a problem for most of us who live in the US because those are the type of people who are now getting elected and bringing the country backwards.

  • AynRandsGrindcoreBand [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    70
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    If you told Joe that Apple own a warehouse full of genetically altered chickens that actually laid iPhones he’d stare at you, slack-jawed and wonder why this hasn’t been reported in the press. Just a fucking clown from his toes to his eyelashes.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    62
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    The apotheosis of what a dumb guy thinks a smart guy sounds like.

    The manifested avatar of a crowd of drunk college kids having an uninformed debate.

    The patron saint of mansplaining.

    • scubbo@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      From my knowledge of them (which is sadly non-zero), I think Ben Shapiro fits the first description better.

      • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        29
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        my favorite Shabibo moment was when he had a “debate” with a famous Tory broadcaster in the UK and got dunked on so hard he called him a leftist. chefs-kiss

        • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          He was promoting a book about how the left is quick to anger and intolerant at the time to boot, but of course his go to insult was to call someone a leftist.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Nobody, not even dumb people, think Joe Rogan sounds like a smart guy. They think he sounds like a relatable (dumb) guy who talks to smart guys.

  • LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    50
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    The problem with Rogan is that he doesn’t have the knowledge or qualifications to push back against people spewing bullshit on his show, and so he ends up essentially making fringe, pseudo-scientific ideas seem equal to the mainstream expert consensus view.

    • figaro@lemdro.id
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      1 year ago

      And the outspoken wrong on the show people are oftentimes cool and charismatic, so people trust them.

    • CrumbleNeedy@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      the problem with rogan is that he agrees with the worst people on his show. he doesn’t push back because he doesn’t want to. he peaked on news radio.

  • anarchyrabbit@discuss.tchncs.de
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    34
    ·
    1 year ago

    I stopped listening to his podcasts when I realised he doesn’t know the facts and spews what he believes are facts. I admire him to hold a conversation for as long as he does and keep it somewhat entertaining but beyond that it’s nothing more than pseudo science.

    • DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      51
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      Nah they are wrong, Joe isn’t a dumb guy, he’s not doing what he’s doing because he’s some dumb meathead, he’s doing it for money, fame, and to finally be part of the in-groups, which means power, he finally has a president(Trump) that accepts him and hob knobs with him.

      Joe has always been a cynical self serving libertarian type, if you went back and listened or watched some of his old standup comedy you would get a better idea of how far Rogan has fallen, he’s become a lot of what he hated. There was a time when people used to think that Joe would be the next George Carlin, now he’s just a more palatable and successful Alex Jones.

        • DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Who said it was clever? Joe didn’t do clever comedy Joe did angry and cynical observational and political comedy. I’m not trying to call him clever or smart at all, he just isn’t as dumb as the meathead everybody tries to make him out to be.

          • Lazylazycat@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            1 year ago

            You said: “Joe isn’t a dumb guy”. So, he’s not dumb, or clever, he just is. Like a rock.

            • DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              1 year ago

              Why do you keep trying to put your words in my mouth? If that’s what I wanted to say I would have said it, but I didn’t. I get that you want me to see things how you want me to see things but I don’t, so how about just taking my words at face value?

              Again, Joe isn’t dumb, he’s not being manipulated, and he absolutely knows who and what he’s inviting onto his show and what affect they will have both in the broader media and to his critics and fans, Joe is just being a greedy self serving fuckwad, and it’s working well for him so far.

              You can underestimate your enemies on your own, but don’t try to force me to make the same mistake you’re making.

              • Lazylazycat@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                1 year ago

                I just quoted you.

                We disagree completely though, nothing about the way he presents himself suggests to me that this is calculated.

            • KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Clever isn’t intelligence, you can be average or smart and not clever. You can also be a bit dumb but also a bit clever. They are 2 qualities that can interact but are nonetheless separate.

      • madcaesar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        25
        ·
        1 year ago

        Haha holy shit, it’s wild to even see Joe and George in the same sentance. It’s like thinking maybe the PT Cruiser could be the spiritual successor to the 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 😂

      • Lurk99777@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        I’ve watched Joe’s old comedy and shows he’s been on (Opie and Anthony) and don’t remember anyone thinking he would be the next Carlin. Lewis Black and Jon Stewart I could see.

      • FoxAndKitten@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        He’s not an idiot or anything, but he’s pretty ignorant about a lot of topics, particularly science. He’s quick on the uptake, but he isn’t good at understanding how things fit together

        That’s fine, it’s a fantastic way to do interviews. It’s a stand-in for the audience - he says “I’m a dumb guy good at punching, so can you break it down really simple?” People that are sharp don’t feel patronized, and people that are actually dumb feel it’s much more approachable

        The problem is somewhere along the way, Joe started believing people were there for him and not the guest, and he started doing more talking and less listening when he doesn’t agree with what’s being said (especially since he has some pretty bad takes)

        • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 year ago

          he’s pretty ignorant about a lot of topics

          Not that uncommon among standup comedians. Comics tend to view everything through the lens of “how can I get a joke out of this?” which is not a good mindset for trying to separate truth from bullshit. Even George Carlin said dumb shit from time to time.

      • masterspace@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        People always think people they disagree with are more Machiavellian than they usually are.

      • DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        Lol, it kinda reminds me of Joe’s whole “we’ve never seen a gorilla at peak gorilla” take.

        Joe is short, abuses steroids, probably isn’t too flexible, I can definitely see him falling off of the horse a lot while trying to shoot a bow from it.