Check this out: good faith criticism of Stalin coming from a Hexbear admin. We don’t ban people or remove their comments just because we disagree with them. We wait til they start slinging slurs or say something so outrageously in bad faith that there’s nothing worth continuing.
Letting Yagoda, Yezhov, and Beria operate and purge without accountability or oversight were three major examples of wrongdoing.
While his motivations were anti-eugenicist in nature, Stalin’s backing of Lysenko’s Neo-Lamarckist agricultural programs were a huge misstep which negatively impacted food security in the socialist world for decades.
Okay, there’s two I’m sure you’d agree with. Now it’s your turn.
In order to agree with you they’d have to know wtf you’re talking about, but since they’re just browsing Wikipedia for random contextless facts of dubious validity motivated purely by vague “Stalin = Hitler” rhetoric that’s been pre-baked into their brain, I don’t think we can get that far.
uhhh but this isn’t critique you’re not acknowledgeing the billion people he killed you’re just using big words to sound smart! where is the cirtique? just say he killed all ukrainians bet you cant because you cant criqitue stalln!
uj/ Until this thread I thought the meme about “discussing theory with liberals vs. discussing it with other leftists” was too self-congratulatory, but now I realise it’s just facts.
Letting Yagoda, Yezhov, and Beria operate and purge without accountability or oversight were three major examples of wrongdoing.
Under Beria arrests numbers fell down by 95% and executions by 99%. One of them is not like the others, and you should perhaps shed the popular but unfounded khrushchevism-montefiorism on this case.
You’re totally correct and I apologize for the lack of clarity in my statement. Beria was absolutely a more measured and sensible man than the others, there’s no denying that and you’re absolutely correct that the numbers do corroborate the facts. He absolutely was smeared and was largely held responsible for Yezhov’s crimes, rather than any he himself committed. The supposed evidence of his personal misdeeds was largely fabricated.
I still believe he was given far too much latitude to operate in his role without sufficient oversight. That he was far more restrained in his actions than his predecessors is a testament to his own more judicious nature, rather than an example of sufficient oversight of his role.
Basically, I mean to say that while he wasn’t personally excessive in his actions, someone else in his position and with the same freedom to act indiscriminately may have continued to act as his predecessors did. A bullet dodged, rather than an example of appropriate harm reduction. Hopefully this makes more sense!
Grover Furr “Khrushchev Lied”, while the book is mainly about Stalin, what originally prompted Furr to write it is he noticed that Khrushchev blatantly lied about Beria, decided to investigate entire speech and point after point he disproven entire speech (except one point he couldn’t prove of disprove).
Check this out: good faith criticism of Stalin coming from a Hexbear admin. We don’t ban people or remove their comments just because we disagree with them. We wait til they start slinging slurs or say something so outrageously in bad faith that there’s nothing worth continuing.
Letting Yagoda, Yezhov, and Beria operate and purge without accountability or oversight were three major examples of wrongdoing.
While his motivations were anti-eugenicist in nature, Stalin’s backing of Lysenko’s Neo-Lamarckist agricultural programs were a huge misstep which negatively impacted food security in the socialist world for decades.
Okay, there’s two I’m sure you’d agree with. Now it’s your turn.
In order to agree with you they’d have to know wtf you’re talking about, but since they’re just browsing Wikipedia for random contextless facts of dubious validity motivated purely by vague “Stalin = Hitler” rhetoric that’s been pre-baked into their brain, I don’t think we can get that far.
uhhh but this isn’t critique you’re not acknowledgeing the billion people he killed you’re just using big words to sound smart! where is the cirtique? just say he killed all ukrainians bet you cant because you cant criqitue stalln!
uj/ Until this thread I thought the meme about “discussing theory with liberals vs. discussing it with other leftists” was too self-congratulatory, but now I realise it’s just facts.
Under Beria arrests numbers fell down by 95% and executions by 99%. One of them is not like the others, and you should perhaps shed the popular but unfounded khrushchevism-montefiorism on this case.
You’re totally correct and I apologize for the lack of clarity in my statement. Beria was absolutely a more measured and sensible man than the others, there’s no denying that and you’re absolutely correct that the numbers do corroborate the facts. He absolutely was smeared and was largely held responsible for Yezhov’s crimes, rather than any he himself committed. The supposed evidence of his personal misdeeds was largely fabricated.
I still believe he was given far too much latitude to operate in his role without sufficient oversight. That he was far more restrained in his actions than his predecessors is a testament to his own more judicious nature, rather than an example of sufficient oversight of his role.
Basically, I mean to say that while he wasn’t personally excessive in his actions, someone else in his position and with the same freedom to act indiscriminately may have continued to act as his predecessors did. A bullet dodged, rather than an example of appropriate harm reduction. Hopefully this makes more sense!
Yes, absolutely.
Got any good reading for my Beria-brainworms?
Grover Furr “Khrushchev Lied”, while the book is mainly about Stalin, what originally prompted Furr to write it is he noticed that Khrushchev blatantly lied about Beria, decided to investigate entire speech and point after point he disproven entire speech (except one point he couldn’t prove of disprove).
Very cool, thanks!