You’re still talking about DEI as a concept, which I’m in favor of. But you understand that in corporate settings things need to be quantifiable and diversity as a concept is nebulous, so in order to make it quantifiable corporations turn it into checklists and quotas. I know DEI as a concept doesn’t say that you HAVE to hire minorities and women over more qualified candidates. But I do know that corporations in order to quantify how diverse they are, and to be able to say they are diverse under whatever criteria someone at the top is using to judge said diversity will put policies in place like: we aim for 40% of our workforce to be minorities and women. And now the hiring managers have a very specific number of how many people in their team should be minorities.
I do not have any extreme beliefs about DEI, I just know that many orgs implemented DEI in this way and when you do, the incentive becomes to meet the quota rather than hiring the best person for the job.
Also you can’t just imply that I’m a bigot simply because I’m criticizing a fundamentally flawed implementation of an idea. That’s just being intelectually dishonest. I can be against DEI programs (because they are badly implemented most of the time, at least in my experience: anecdotal I know) and still be in favor of diversity.
I have worked in a corporate setting for years and I am currently a hiring manager. You keep asking for something that does not exist. I am not saying some CEO has not said, “I want x% of minorities or women working here”. Even if that did happen it is not a reflection of the rest of the corporate world that has never said anything like this.
I have attended several DEI trainings in my life and they are exactly as I have described them. Please point out any proof you have that companies have set actual quotas for hiring because their DEI policy told them to. This is also illegal in the US according to OFCCP which covers any business that works with the Federal government.
Ultimately though if a private company chooses to set quotas that is their right barring violating any laws. Considering the alternative is the defacto only hire white males I am not sure a few companies doing this would even cause a ripple.
Looking at statistics it is clear we are not hiring women or minorities in droves. This is racist rumor mill shit in my opinion.
The truth is our world in the US is still completely dominated by white males. You especially see this in management. I guess the real fear behind this is it could change some day. How scary would it be to live in a world that had 50% women CEOs. I jest of course.
You definitely have some extreme beliefs and you repeat word for word the propaganda that bigots use to discredit DEI. Certainly it has issues but forcing companies to hire X amount of a particular worker is not one of them.
When I was referencing a bigot what I meant is people that tend to think like this are bigots not that you have to be one. Although I think I would start some serious self-reflecting if I found myself siding with bigots.
You’re still talking about DEI as a concept, which I’m in favor of. But you understand that in corporate settings things need to be quantifiable and diversity as a concept is nebulous, so in order to make it quantifiable corporations turn it into checklists and quotas. I know DEI as a concept doesn’t say that you HAVE to hire minorities and women over more qualified candidates. But I do know that corporations in order to quantify how diverse they are, and to be able to say they are diverse under whatever criteria someone at the top is using to judge said diversity will put policies in place like: we aim for 40% of our workforce to be minorities and women. And now the hiring managers have a very specific number of how many people in their team should be minorities.
I do not have any extreme beliefs about DEI, I just know that many orgs implemented DEI in this way and when you do, the incentive becomes to meet the quota rather than hiring the best person for the job.
Also you can’t just imply that I’m a bigot simply because I’m criticizing a fundamentally flawed implementation of an idea. That’s just being intelectually dishonest. I can be against DEI programs (because they are badly implemented most of the time, at least in my experience: anecdotal I know) and still be in favor of diversity.
I have worked in a corporate setting for years and I am currently a hiring manager. You keep asking for something that does not exist. I am not saying some CEO has not said, “I want x% of minorities or women working here”. Even if that did happen it is not a reflection of the rest of the corporate world that has never said anything like this.
I have attended several DEI trainings in my life and they are exactly as I have described them. Please point out any proof you have that companies have set actual quotas for hiring because their DEI policy told them to. This is also illegal in the US according to OFCCP which covers any business that works with the Federal government.
Ultimately though if a private company chooses to set quotas that is their right barring violating any laws. Considering the alternative is the defacto only hire white males I am not sure a few companies doing this would even cause a ripple.
Looking at statistics it is clear we are not hiring women or minorities in droves. This is racist rumor mill shit in my opinion.
The truth is our world in the US is still completely dominated by white males. You especially see this in management. I guess the real fear behind this is it could change some day. How scary would it be to live in a world that had 50% women CEOs. I jest of course.
You definitely have some extreme beliefs and you repeat word for word the propaganda that bigots use to discredit DEI. Certainly it has issues but forcing companies to hire X amount of a particular worker is not one of them.
When I was referencing a bigot what I meant is people that tend to think like this are bigots not that you have to be one. Although I think I would start some serious self-reflecting if I found myself siding with bigots.