My wife got sick as a dog after eating chocolate chip cookie dough. She spent a whole day going between bed and the bathroom. Strangely enough, she still eats raw cookie dough. Having gone through it with her, I don’t even like the fake/safe cookie dough in ice cream.
I need sleep. It took me a while to realize that your wife is not a dog.
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I don’t think getting violently ill is going to stop me either tbf.
so its a less expensive version of Ozempic!
Looked up a recipe and it seems pretty easy to make non-raw edible cookie dough. Cook the flour in the microwave, and then substitute out the eggs with extra butter and milk.
Life your life, OP.
Leave the eggs in, you’ll be fine as long as the flour is good tbh
Or get some pasteurized eggs and have at.it for extra safety
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Cooking them shell-in at 140F for at least 5 mins is enough to sanitize them. Don’t go above 140 or else they will start to cook, and hold for 5 mins or longer so the temp has time to take effect.
https://www.wikihow.com/Pasteurize-EggsYou can buy cartons (as in cardboard bottles, not regular egg containers) of “raw” eggs in the US, I’m not sure if it’s an explicitly American thing or not. They come pasteurized, as to how you’d be able to DIY it, I have no idea lol
You can buy bottles of pasteurised egg whites in Ireland too. I assume you can also get the yolks somewhere too I just haven’t seen it.
By carefully controlling temperature, you can go above the heat tolerance of the bacteria without going above the heat which would solidify egg white.
The outer shell is pasteurized as salmonella from eggs is only on the exterior.
Pasteurization is a function of time and temperature. Salmonella will die a few deegrees over 130F over a few hours, but the egg’s proteins won’t denature so they won’t “cook”
https://www.seriouseats.com/sous-vide-101-all-about-eggs
This one has the charts pulled from USDA sources about temperatures and times:
https://www.seriouseats.com/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-sous-vide-chicken-breast
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Yeah there’s two issues with it. Both the raw flour and the raw egg. I’d say the raw flour is the bigger threat to your health.
I’m not sure that’s the case anymore. The specific salmonella that can invade chicken reproductive system is getting more prevelant.
The estimated prevalence of Salmonella in egg white is 6.99% with a 95% confidence interval between 2.44% and 11.54%.
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media_file/2020-07/Baseline-Raw-Liquid-Eggs_0.pdf
Essentially, if you get an 18 pack of eggs, there’s a good chance one of the eggs has salmonella.
The study says 34% of whole eggs tested positive for salmonella which is insane.
The CDC says 1 on 20 000. We use raw eggs in many recipes, lots of restaurants still make home made mayo. Not to mention the thousands who eat them raw everyday in smoothies like me. I pass an 18 pack of raw eggs in a week.
I’m guessing only certain strains of salmonella actually make you sick or the study is just shit because that’s the only way it makes sense.
Hmm… my family demands I make French Silk pie for the holidays and that involves 4 raw eggs per pie. Always knew there was a risk but I’ve never had any trouble in 20 years. Wonder how long our luck will last.
You can either buy pasteurized eggs, or pasteurize your own eggs!
If you’re ever offered Russian eggnog shots, decline.
You get a double whammy with raw flour, as it can contain both salmonella and e.coli
I think, but I’m not sure, you can microwave the floor I to kill off the bacteria.
I hope you aren’t microwaving your floor. The magnetron shouldn’t be removed from the shielding. It would kill the bacteria, and you eventually.
I’ve always found the safe to eat raw cookie dough to not be very good, nothing compared with real cookie dough. But the fake stuff is all I could find that wouldn’t risk me getting ill. One day I was at a local grocery store and couldn’t find my stupid fake cookie dough, and the worker said they didn’t care it any more, but he was pretty sure Pillbury changed the recipe of their take and bake cookie dough so it can be eaten raw, or baked first.
This proved to be true, and dangerous. It takes TOO good, it’s problematic:
Can confirm. Do not, I repeat, do not buy that tub. You will eat the entire tub.
Luckily, I only bought a tube, and thank deity I didn’t see a tube there. But I have to tell you, one full tube consumed over the course of a weekend, by me, and individual, and no one else… You reach the end of that tube and there are no lies to tell ones self “Other people helped, it wasn’t just you”. Nope, just you, you alone ate that tube.
Just don’t buy it, it isn’t worth the cost…
I thought the safe to eat cookie dough was just made with sterilized flour and pasteurized eggs. Shouldn’t it taste exactly the same?
I would have thought they’d leave out the baking soda? Gives it that tang…
I’m vegan, mine tastes exactly the same with or without sterilized flour.
we found an orange tub of chocolate cookie “dough” that had to be refrigerated and it was divine. I wish I could remember the brand now :(
Sometimes corporations actually save the world
I feel like break apart cookies with safe to eat cookie dough also taste worse. As in the change to safe raw dough made the cookies taste worse
Most salmonella exposure will cause mild symptoms like a day of runny stools. If you eat raw dough with any frequency, you have almost certainly been exposed to it and experienced mild symptoms. It’s a much bigger risk for people with weak immune systems.
This will massively depend on what country you’re in. It’s pretty safe to eat raw egg in a lot of places.
Fun fact: the risk is more from the flour than it is the egg.
Thanks for the useful information!
There is a risk yes, more so than many other foods we eat, how much of a risk is impossible to generalize and depends on too many factors. Cooking significantly reduces the risk, so the safest thing is to just say you shouldn’t eat it raw because no one wants to be held responsible nor live with the guilt if you die of food poisoning from eating cookie dough at their suggestion. No one can actually prevent you from doing it, and whether you want to depends on your own assessment of the risks in any particular instance, and your risk tolerance.
Where does the salmonella come from, though? Is it in the raw flour, or the raw eggs? If you know you want to eat the cookie dough , there’s no point adding eggs at all - they don’t bring any flavour. As for the flour, it doesn’t bring flavour but it’s probably important to the texture of the dough.
So what happens if you pour the flour onto a sheet pan and bake it at 300-325F for 30 mins all by itself? Would that kill everything in there that needs killing, so you can then make cookie dough that’s safe to eat?
You actually can make edible cookie dough with toasted flour and pasteurized eggs.
CDC says unpasteurized eggs and raw flour can have salmonella and e.coli. https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/enteritidis-05-23/index.html
Sweet, if I always buy the 12 pack, or dozen for you bakera, I will never get it. I love math. Thani you. s\
Yes, that’s how it’s done.
Just microwave or bake the flour then make cookie dough normally.
There is a much higher risk of getting salmonella from raw flour than from raw egg, since store bought eggs are pasteurized and washed (in USA/Canada).
Eggs in the shell in the US are not pasteurized unless specifically labeled, only about 3% of them, but they are washed. Any egg product out of the shell, like in a milk carton type container is pasteurized.
In Europe iirc chickens are also very well vaccinated against salmonella.
Everywhere actually. Salmonella in the poultry business was a huge deal and now the salmonella vaccines are some of the cheapest to produce. If your chickens aren’t vaccinated you pretty much aren’t selling them to anyone anywhere. I’m too tired to elaborate, but I used to work in the industry and salmonella in poultry is pretty much a thing of the past.
Salmonella vaccination isn’t standard practice in Ireland due to low prevalence of the infection. There’s effectively no salmonella on Irish eggs for sale. As far as I understand it anyway.
Yep, me as a small child.
People do get salmonella from eating raw egg. Egg is often an ingredient in cookie mix, so SOME cookie dough puts you at risk, and the egg-free ones don’t. Check the label carefully.
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Just make it yourself. Lightly roast the flour to sterilize it and wash the eggs thoroughly before cracking them open to reduce the risk.
I’ve never heard of washing eggs and before and it is controversial: https://backyardpoultry.iamcountryside.com/eggs-meat/how-to-wash-fresh-eggs-its-safer-not-to/
TIL, in the US eggs are washed making eggs more prone to infections and lower shelf life.
American eggs have a longer shelf life, but it’s because they’re refrigerated rather than left out at room temp.
if you refrigerate european eggs they can last very long also. Just anecdotal evidence but i have never encountered a rotten egg and i have cooked a lot of eggs
The problem is then more about potentially contaminating your refrigerator where you keep various raw foods. That’s kind of the entire justification for why eggs in the US get washed.
eggs here are almost always clean already as consumers dont like to buy dirty eggs and are considered also safe enough to not contaminate any other raw food
Yep, we refrigerate pre washed eggs here in the US. Never really had issues with shelf life, and we don’t have to wash them or handle chicken feces in the kitchen. I imagine the risk of contamination from handling unwashed eggs is probably about the same as the risk of having potentially sooner to spoil eggs in the fridge.
Yeah I live in the EU and never had an salmonella infection from unwashed eggs in my life and I often eat raw eggs. The chance of getting salmonella from eggs nowadays is really small since chickens are all vaccinated.
That’s only if you want to store it afterward. Not a problem if you immediately use it.
depends on where you live as salmonella prevalence varies a lot by country
My brother got salmonella from working under the porch when we had chickens
Chubbyemu did a YouTube video about this : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwa8PdtWapE
They make edible cookie dough now.
