I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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    9 hours ago

    I just don’t understand people railing at the non voters and the people who voted for Trump. It seems as backward as a rocket scientist raging at drag and wind breaking their rocket. “How dare the wind do this! Don’t they know this will progress humanity!?!”

    It’s your job to build a rocket that can withstand the air at those speeds. The air is always a problem you have to deal with, and no, you can’t shame the air into doing what you want.

    Genuinely the democratic campaign seemed more like they were pushing a trolley problem than a future. So why is everyone so shocked it failed?

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      8 hours ago

      excellent analogy.

      airflow and friction can be manipulated and corrected. Trump knows this and has been doing it for 8 years.

      sure, wind drag is an infuriating factor, i get pissed off at it sometimes, but it will never take the majority of the blame from me compared to the people forcing us all into the damn rocket.

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      The air and the drag are entities without a brain.

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          8 hours ago

          this but uncynically

          in a state with massive poll wait times, no day off for voting, and leadership that gives voters reason to hate their guts every day, not voting is literally the default, no brain option.

          it shouldn’t be, but it is. dems had the choice to either accept that situation and work with it, or just say fuck you everyone and hope for the best.

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      You compare voting to the laws of physics. They’re not even remotely similar. Politics is choice.

      A more apt compatison would be a little kid crying that he wants a chocolate ice cream, his mum says he should order that, then to be funny/petulant/assertive he orders strawberry - and gets mad at his mum when the server gives him strawberry. “It was your job to make me choose what I wanted!”, he wails.

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        Your comparison is worse.

        The options weren’t chocolate and vanilla. They were getting kicked down a steep hill or kicked off a cliff, and you seem flabbergasted that some people chose to flip the bird instead of groveling and thanking the democrats for only kicking them down a steep hill.

        Especially when in the next 4 years their options are gonna be slightly steeper hill or another cliff.

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          Instead of choosing to die off the cliff, they should have chosen the steep hill and then climbed back up to kick ass for having been kicked down a hill.

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      I think you’re getting your roles all mixed up with your analogy. The anger you reference is at fellow voters. It isn’t the average voter’s job to build a better rocket. And the wind is not alterable but voter decisions are. The anger is at the decision makers who chose the rocket that was less capable of dealing with the harsh wind or chose to not pick a rocket at all, knowing that would result in the lesser rocket being picked.

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        no, I’m not.

        I’m not angry at the voters. I’ve watched the whole primary looking at the democratic strategy thinking. 'That’s not gonna work", “thats not gonna resonate with voters”, “where the hell is Biden?”, “Is Biden still cognizant?”

        At some point, a campaign or candidate can be so bad, that I can’t blame anyone but them for losing. Joe Exotic, the tiger king, ran for an elected position and lost. I blame him. His campaign was trash. He did better than expected purely from his fame, but I do not credit the voters for keeping him out of office. He did a lot of damage to himself all on his own.

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          If you care whether she won, then yes blame her for losing. That’s not what I care about. I care that Trump won. Since there was a much better option available to voters, I blame the voters for that.

          Anyone who thinks Harris was a worse option than Trump is not worth having a conversation with.